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Charles Edwards Shirtmaker (Melbourne)

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by snailtrail83, Sep 24, 2007.

  1. meister

    meister Well-Known Member

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    Someone asked about Beckett and Rhodes at Myer. The women told me today they are entirely made by hand in Egypt out of Italian cloth.
     
  2. appolyon

    appolyon Well-Known Member

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    Just happened to be strolling around the CBD last night and had a look down that little alley way ... Charles Edwards is the name of the store. De Mille is the name of a little antique store next door to Charles Edwards
     
  3. snailtrail83

    snailtrail83 Member

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    Someone asked about Beckett and Rhodes at Myer. The women told me today they are entirely made by hand in Egypt out of Italian cloth.

    I've got a Rhodes and Beckett shirt, and while it's a good OTR you can't compare it to a MTM shirt. Plus, from memory the last shirt I bought from them was $180. Not worth it in my opinion, rather spend a bit more and get a MTM shirt.
     
  4. tanalasta

    tanalasta Well-Known Member

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    Once you know what your measurements are - it may be worthwhile ordering from one of the online tailors mentioned on the forums. The trouble is that the turnaround time is usually about one month.

    The strong Aussie dollar is making overseas purchases ever so much more attractive [​IMG]

    Although next time I'm in Sydney, I definitely plan to drop by Charles Nakhle's shop.
     
  5. Sator

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    Someone asked about Beckett and Rhodes at Myer. The women told me today they are entirely made by hand in Egypt out of Italian cloth.
    There is no handwork on any of their shirts. They mean hand guided through a machine. They use shirting made in Turkey - probably from an Italian owned mill. Total cost of manufacture including fabric is $17 AUD according to one insider source.
     
  6. jez

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    Was THIS close to buying one or two on sale today, but thank you for confirming my worst fears Sator.

    Gotta save up for the Nakhles now :]
     
  7. Journeyman

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    (Re: Beckett and Rhodes) There is no handwork on any of their shirts. They mean hand guided through a machine. They use shirting made in Turkey - probably from an Italian owned mill. Total cost of manufacture including fabric is $17 AUD according to one insider source.

    I've been tempted by shirts from places such as Herringbone, Rhodes and Beckett, MCM Studio and the like on a few occasions, but I always baulk at paying their prices.

    I know that sometimes it's fun to lash out on a nice shirt, regardless of price, and I suppose that if I see a Herringbone or R&B shirt that I really, really like and I think that it is either unique or that it would be a lot of trouble to find something similar, then I might pay $180/$190 for such a shirt.

    However, as noted by Sator, when someone in Myers tells you that their shirts are "handmade", they are almost certain to be talking absolute rubbish. The shirts seem nice enough, but when you contrast the construction of a Herringbone or R&B to a Borrelli, for example, you can see that there really is no comparison between the two. The Herringbone or R&B shirt is just a nice shirt, whereas the Borrelli is a thing of beauty.

    This is why I tend to either buy my shirts from places like TM Lewin or Harvie and Hudson, or hang out for deals on Borrelli and similar shirtmakers on "Shop the Finest" or "Virtual Clothes Horse". You can get 4 TM Lewin shirts for GBP100 at present, or about $60 per shirt. In my opinion, their shirts are at least as good as Herringbone, R&B and the other Australian shirtshops.

    I'm very interested in trying out some bespoke shirting. I'll have to bear Charles Nakhle in mind the next time I'm down in Sydney...
     
  8. meister

    meister Well-Known Member

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    having thrifted a few TS lewins at Vinnies I would agree with you re their shirts. Borrelli now that is another level...
     
  9. snailtrail83

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    I called Charles Nakhle recently and asked him if he could make a shirt over the weekend. He replied he couldn't as he wouldn't have any machinists. I don't know what he meant by that, but does that mean he gets other people to help him make shirts? He did say if I came in early on a business day that he may be able to make a shirt in one day though...
     
  10. appolyon

    appolyon Well-Known Member

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    machinists

    ma·chin·ist /məˈʃinɪst/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[muh-shee-nist] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
    -noun
    1.\ta person who operates machinery, esp. a skilled operator of machine tools.
    2.\ta person who makes or repairs machines.
    3.\tU.S. Navy. a warrant officer whose duty is to assist the engineering officer in the engine room.

    ...but in all seriousness my mother is a machinist and sits on a sewing machine and sews things together ... so by the sounds of things Charles has a small team of people who help make the shirts...
     
  11. Sator

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    I called Charles Nakhle recently and asked him if he could make a shirt over the weekend)? He replied he couldn't as he wouldn't have any machinists. I don't know what he meant by that, but he gets other people to help him make shirts? He did say if I came in early on a business day that he may be able to make a shirt in one day though...
    Yes, that's right Charles employs people in his workshop - just like Alex Kabbaz. And just as in Alex Kabbaz's workshop they use a sewing machine. If you really wanted to get a shirt like iammatt's Anna Matuozzo Napoli bespoke shirts - with one machine stitch and one hand stitch - Charles says he is perfectly capable of doing it for you but expect wait weeks to months and pay 700-900 AUD per shirt depending on the fabric. He would have to do all the work himself as his workers are insufficiently trained in doing handwork to do the work for him.
     
  12. meister

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    Aster shirts are very, very nice. I have a few of them myself. On par with, oh, say, higher end Zegna shirts or so.

    Beware of Henry Bucks. There is a fantastic 'old world' image they put forward but their qualitiy has gone WAY downhill the past few years. Mediocre at best. It's all a bit of a facade really.

    There are a few decent tailors in Melbourne, but shirtmakers are few and far between indeed.


    What about the German van Laacks shirts made in Vietnam? My brother in Germany has the made in Deutschland jobs and they are fantastic.
     
  13. HappymaN

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    Sator, what sort of fabric do you get from Nahkle for that price, ~220AU?
     
  14. Sator

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    Sator, what sort of fabric do you get from Nakhle for that price, ~220AU?

    Quite a variety especially Tessitura Monti Spa, which is excellent value for money.
     
  15. Aus_MD

    Aus_MD Well-Known Member

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    Quite a variety especially Tessitura Monti Spa, which is excellent value for money.

    And some from the SIC Tess fabric books will be around that price (depending on buttons etc).
     
  16. snailtrail83

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    Came back from Sydney on the Weekend, and visited Charles Nahkle. Ended up going on a bit of a splurge and bought 5 shirts. He is a really nice guy. He looked at me and said "long arms" and then proceeded to guess my measurements. Quite funny - and he was at most 1 - 2cm off after he "measured" me properly.

    I didn't go with the intention of buying from specific mills, I just chose what I liked, and in the end, the total price was cheaper than I thought it would be. I'll probably never buy an OTR shirt again... haha.

    My first shirt should arrive sometime next week, and I'll post up pictures if anyone is interested.
     
  17. joneblaze

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    Snailtrail (or anyone else) - any chance of posting up a few pics of Charles N's work? Have searched but have been unable to find any examples.

    cheers

    Jon
     
  18. misterjase

    misterjase Well-Known Member

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    anyone have a critique/picture of a shirt from Charles Edwards?
     
  19. ricotta

    ricotta Well-Known Member

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    has anyone here had a shirt made with both Charles Edwards and Hemden?

    just curious as to how the two might differ; i've had one made at Hemden and am not sure whether to give Charles a shot as well. they go for a bit more (~$550 vs Hemden's $425/380 for the first shirt/subsequent shirts) so i'm wondering how much happier people are with them.

    also, could anyone confirm whether Charles does all the shirts himself? that's the impression he gave when i spoke to him, but posts above indicate otherwise.
     
  20. __PG__

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    I've been tempted by shirts from places such as Herringbone, Rhodes and Beckett, MCM Studio and the like on a few occasions, but I always baulk at paying their prices.

    I just wait for the sales. It's just mass produced stuff and even at 50% off they still make a margin.

    When you shop at the distributors for labels like Canali, Cantarelli, Boss etc and the price that you can get a suit or shirt for, relative to what you at Henry Bucks/David Jones etc charge...even on sale....it defies belief sometimes.
     

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