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Champions League Last 16.

Discussion in 'Entertainment, Culture, and Sports' started by benecios, Feb 22, 2007.

  1. chobochobo

    chobochobo Well-Known Member

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    where are the scousers?
     
  2. benecios

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    I can't lie,I am over the moon that Milan won.I couldn't take listening to the scousers for the next 12 months.
    There have just been some interviews with several Liverpool players and they have shown great dignity and grace.
    A final thought,why couldn't Milan have been that bad against us in the semi.[​IMG]
     
  3. strazzaque

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    G'day all,
    Bad day at the office. There are some moments I know we're going to concede- whenever I see O'Shea lurking near the death of a game at a set-piece, or in this case, the moment I saw Alonso knock Kaka over.

    It wasn't a dive- momentum made the fall look theatrical. It was a lucky goal, Stevie's 1-on-1 miss and the late goal killed it for us.

    Milan were not as good as many predicted, and Liverpool played much better than they are given credit for.

    United need a Hargreaves to shut down teams, like Liverpool did Milan's midfield (to an extent, since Kaka was involved in both goals).

    Scholes is a horrible tackler, and Keane-type players are a modern necessity. Owen H is overpriced at 17mil. Makalele would have been a better option, as a stopgap for a year, while the bid price tumbled for OH.

    Finally, how I hope Liverpool sign a creative midfielder and top class finisher- it was frustrating to see Kuyt having to do that much work in midfield, so when Pennant (class game) whipped a cross in, there was usually no sign of him.

    Congratulations Milan, on number 7?
     
  4. Bona Drag

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    [​IMG] Shoulder of God [​IMG]
    Seriously; can anyone please explain how that wasn't a handball? Liverpool were the better side, but give credit to Inzaghi for twice being in the right place at the right time; his second goal was well deserved.
     
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    Shitty game from both sides. They should hang their heads in shame.
     
  6. romafan

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    I only saw the first half. To my mind, Liverpool had the better of the play w/ Pennant creating havoc on the right. On the first replay I thought Pippo (Super Pippo?) had done an amazing job redrecting Pirlo's freekick w/ his head. Subsequent replays showed it pretty clearly to be a hand ball, although I didn't see any John Madden-type 'freeze-frames', and I suppose the ball could have deflected off the top part of his shoulder (would that be a hand ball?). Looked like the goal should have been disallowed though....

    So, Istanbul has been avenged, and Paolo Maldini hoists his 5th(?!) CL Cup - pretty awesome. [​IMG]
     
  7. eg1

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    I hope the Northern Leaguers do down the chirpers ... [​IMG]

    Much as I had hoped! [​IMG]
     
  8. chobochobo

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    Pennant played well, though the final product was lacking most of the time. Kaka was quite except for the build up to the second goal, but then it just takes a moment of inspiration.

    And yes, if Liverpool had won there supporters would have been even more unbearable [​IMG]
     
  9. rdawson808

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    I finally got to see the game late last night after work. My thoughts (having not read the previous posts)

    Liverpool had the run of the first half and then the second was pretty even (i.e. crappy for both). Pennant ran circles around Milan's L back. But then he (the back) seemed to pick it up in the 2nd half.

    Overall the game was pretty lousy. Not great play. In particular, I expected more from virtually everyone on the pitch. Only Pennant and Inzaghi can really be credited with much. I expected a fast-paced game and we didn't see anything near "fast".

    Gerrard should have scored--I was amazed he didn't.

    On the first goal Inzaghi did not handle the ball by my view--he moved just slightly so it skimmed his chest. But the goal should have counted for Pirlo, anyway, Inzaghi's part seemed pretty accidental.

    Inzaghi's second, however, was great. Beautiful work by all involved.

    One could make an argument that Kuyt's goal was actually offsides. The ball glanced off a Milan defender's head on its way to him, but that's usually not enough for me to rule that as the last touch. Assuming the earlier header (from Crouch?) was the last touch, Kuyt was clearly offsides. In the end it doesn't matter.

    The officiating was horrible. But it went both ways. I think this contributed to the choppy-ness of the first half.

    Kudos to Maldini for #5. And let's note, it's Seedorf's 4th and with his 3rd club: Ajax, Real Madrid, and AC Milan (x2).

    Overall, it was not a brilliant game. And I note that Rafa is cleaning house already this morning. We can count the following out of any more Liverpool games (some announced earlier): Fowler, Dudeck, Zenden, and someone else got the boot this morning too. He's really overhauling the squad.

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  10. rdawson808

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    Just checked - Ronaldo made several appearances for Real in the Group Stage last fall. He is ineligible to play, but can party afterward
    . [​IMG]


    Gotcha. My memory is off. I think maybe it was Figo's transfer that threw me. He left RM at the end of last season, right?

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  11. benecios

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    G'day all,
    Bad day at the office. There are some moments I know we're going to concede- whenever I see O'Shea lurking near the death of a game at a set-piece, or in this case, the moment I saw Alonso knock Kaka over.

    It wasn't a dive- momentum made the fall look theatrical. It was a lucky goal, Stevie's 1-on-1 miss and the late goal killed it for us.

    Milan were not as good as many predicted, and Liverpool played much better than they are given credit for.

    United need a Hargreaves to shut down teams, like Liverpool did Milan's midfield (to an extent, since Kaka was involved in both goals).

    Scholes is a horrible tackler, and Keane-type players are a modern necessity. Owen H is overpriced at 17mil. Makalele would have been a better option, as a stopgap for a year, while the bid price tumbled for OH.

    Finally, how I hope Liverpool sign a creative midfielder and top class finisher- it was frustrating to see Kuyt having to do that much work in midfield, so when Pennant (class game) whipped a cross in, there was usually no sign of him.

    Congratulations Milan, on number 7?


    I have to disagree on Hargreaves,obviously time will tell but I think he is a different gravy.Every single time I watch Bayern he is man of the match and has been for around 3 years.I am overjoyed at Utd's signing of him.
     
  12. benecios

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    Seriously; can anyone please explain how that wasn't a handball?


    Liverpool were the better side, but give credit to Inzaghi for twice being in the right place at the right time; his second goal was well deserved.


    It was probably a handball,but one thing I have not seen mentioned in any newspaper or report is the fact that Kuijt was 2 yards offside for his goal.
     
  13. chobochobo

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    It was probably a handball,but one thing I have not seen mentioned in any newspaper or report is the fact that that Kuijt was 2 yards offside for his goal.
    Probably because it didn't matter in the end. Also the tabloids tend to be rather parochial. PS I have my copy of the official magazines end of season issue and will preorder the official DVD [​IMG]
     
  14. romafan

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    Here's a question from a dumb yank: Is it a handball if the player (Inzaghi) is facing away from the ball (i.e can't see it coming and presumably doesn't know it's going to hit him) and has his arm down at his side, against his body and not at all extended, so that it is in effect part of his side?
     
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    Here's a question from a dumb yank: Is it a handball if the player (Inzaghi) is facing away from the ball (i.e can't see it coming and presumably doesn't know it's going to hit him) and has his arm down at his side, against his body and not at all extended, so that it is in effect part of his side?

    Tough call. I say go with advantage and intent. If no intent (don't see it coming), then did the handle give the player an advantage? If yes, call it. If no, let it go. If the ball ends up in the back of the net, definitely call it. But I have seen handling not called simply because the "ball played the player, the player didn't play the ball" so to speak.

    But, again, I don't think it hit is arm. Just imo from my viewing.

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  16. chobochobo

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    Yes, difficult to say and the decision could have gone either way but it'd have been a brave referee to disallow the goal. In any case, it's all done and dusted and no point in debating it - just like Gigg's penalty/goal in the FA cup final.

    I think the CL final was pretty much typical of most recent cups finals. Most entertainment comes in the earlier rounds before both teams are too nervous, and less likely to be decimated by injuries. I see the papers were mostly going on about Benitez's team selection and transfers which is a bit unfair because given what resources he has, he hasn't done badly to deliver cups to a Liverpool that is still living on past successes.
     
  17. matadorpoeta

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    Here's a question from a dumb yank: Is it a handball if the player (Inzaghi) is facing away from the ball (i.e can't see it coming and presumably doesn't know it's going to hit him) and has his arm down at his side, against his body and not at all extended, so that it is in effect part of his side?

    if the arm really is flat against the body, it is not a handball. whether or not the player sees the ball has nothing to do with it.

    i missed the game but just saw the goal on youtube. inzaghi's arm is definitely NOT flat against his body and if the ball did touch it the goal should have been disallowed. however, i can't tell from the angle i saw whether or not the ball touched his arm.

    on another note, does anyone else find it lame that a team which is not even champion of its own country can now call themselves champions of europe?
     
  18. chobochobo

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    on another note, does anyone else find it lame that a team which is not even champion of its own country can now call themselves champions of europe?

    Yes, it is a touch ironic. It's gotten a little worse now with some countries having 4 places. I'm not complaining that much, since ManU won in 1999 through qualifying. I guess it'd be more appropriate to call it a 'superleague', that turns into a cup competiton. I thought that changing the rules for Liverpool was a bit too much though.
     
  19. rdawson808

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    on another note, does anyone else find it lame that a team which is not even champion of its own country can now call themselves champions of europe?

    Yeah, like chobochobo said, with some countries getting so many entries, it is getting somewhat silly. Why not just 2 entries per country? Or even 2 for Italy, England, Germany, Spain, and then 1 for the rest? Really, how many teams should Isreal or Belgium have in it?

    And it is weird (better word) that this year's "champion" qualified based on last year's performance and may be a much different team than last year's. But in the end, that's okay, we still get a great competition.

    bob
     
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    And it is weird (better word) that this year's "champion" qualified based on last year's performance and may be a much different team than last year's. But in the end, that's okay, we still get a great competition.

    bob


    [​IMG] How else would you choose the teams?
     

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