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Cars We Drive!

Discussion in 'Fine Living, Home, Design & Auto' started by Bert1568, Jul 18, 2006.

  1. Thrift Vader

    Thrift Vader Well-Known Member

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    @Jbarwick is exactly on the money. While the major players could bring out a perfect new product? It would destroy the market that makes their dough. Ask Elon. He no doubt knows he got the Japanese in a corner. Because the current old boys are holding market share.(60's) The management is spineless and lacklustre (50's) but the guys who are next to the top? (40's) want to shake the tree. And the new wave of engineers (20's-30's) are ready to play ball. I see it everyday. The enthusiasm. The skills. The teamwork. -In their attitudes. It's great to see. Innovation is stifled by the establishment. Musk has a base walk there. But it is far from over. These young dudes got ideas. And can make it happen. Stay tuned. A great story is about to unfold..

    People with a disability are people too. And if one wants to flip the bird at haters? Imma give him a fistbump :fistbump: and back him up.
    You can't PC your way out of disabled people being people too.
     
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  2. HRoi

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    Tiptoeing around the pissing contest to ask for more pics when you get it [​IMG]
     
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  3. Find Finn

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    Tiptoeing around a pissing contest asking for pictures sounds like a good way to make sure you get peed on.
     
  4. ramuman

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    I've never met the dude, which is surprising because of how often I'm there and he's there. He's never sold them as sports cars. Until they make a new roadster, they'll remain boring but quick in a straight line family cars.

    Also, I would never block you as well. You come across an intelligent dude who obviously knows a ton about cars. My high school comment wasn't meant to be taken literally or directed at you offensively. I come from an engineering background, so social skills are not my forte.

    I love Tesla because it is an out and out Si Valley company from the culture to the work ethic, which resonates with me. If other manufactures want to compete on any front with them and put out a compelling product, then I think it would be welcomed with open arms. The same can be said about Google, SanDisk, Intel, etc. They come across as dickish in the press because they are publicly traded companies and do have an obligation to their shareholders - which they themselves will admit sucks, but Kleiner Perkins or Sequoia don't fund you otherwise and you're relegated to your dorm room or parents garage (I know this because I'm on Sand Hill Road and college campuses begging for money more than I'd like).

    I apologize for my endless defense of Tesla. My only comment is, if someone wants to beat them in any way in their market, it's welcomed (and, again, they've never claimed to make a racing car).

    I simply think they make something compelling that is important for the world and will try and continue to do so in good faith.
     
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  5. ramuman

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    They can't really do much about the acoustics - electric motors will sound like electric motors. Also, when I lived in Georgia, those plates were all you got with an electric car. In California they give you two regular plates and 3 stickers. I chose to not install the front plate or stick on the hideous stickers - all of which are in the small storage compartment in my trunk. Blame the politicians, not the EV makers for those decisions.

    I've also never defended Tesla as superior to everything else in all ways by any means. Simply that they're pushing for where we'll all be eventually, like it or not. In fact, for a decent time, I had a Tesla with an M4 and likely will with another gasoline car sometime in the future. The M4 had far more soul and was always more fun to drive, especially on a lazy Sunday on backroads.

    My usual drive is boring as hell on the 101 or the 880, or if I'm lucky and have time, the PCH. Occasionally, I might have a few people that want to pop in that I'm picking up/dropping off at the airport with suitcases, and it's fine for that. It's not some sexy supercar that sounds like a bat out of hell, nor has it ever been marketed as such.

    I will be nitpicky and say the torque isn't quite instant, but dang near close and you basically have to be looking at the speedo to see how fast you're going (otherwise you'll only hear Paradise City and police sirens.) - which I fully agree removes another degree of romanticism, in a loose way, similar to what SMGs/DCTs did.
     
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  6. brokencycle

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    Well the patron saint was criticized. He's lucky he wasn't stoned to death.
     
  7. ramuman

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    He's unblocked. Yes - I can be pedantic. Which sort of works in the business world, but not the social world - especially the online social world. :embar: I guess it comes with the territory of being a bullied only child - again :embar: .

    Also FF's Tesla post was correct. What Tesla was quoting in the US (and I don't know where else), they clearly stated it was 'combined' and not 'total' in a way that said if both motors ran at full power this is what you'd get, rather than in the real world.

    The advantage they have is that they can push firmware updates that bring it closer to reconciling the combined and total figures and 8.0 basically makes it such, however, there was unclear wording.
     
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  8. Piobaire

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    Wow, missed a donnybrook. Kiss and make up you two as you both bring the good shit to this thread.

    In other news, cheering was heard from every male (and some females) between the ages of 15 and 75, south of the Mason-Dixon Line.


    [​IMG]
     
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  9. double00

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    Did anybody else see that theyre also bringing back the ranger?!

    Altho i assume it will be a midsize, a la tacoma and the redux dodge pup (name escapes me)

    Whatever happened to that category? The world deserves - nay, demands! - a new mini truck
     
  10. HRoi

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    Good question. Those mini pickups are surprisingly useful and give you a big piece of big truck functionality with very few of the drawbacks. Some of them even had crew cabs!

    They're still pretty ubiquitous as work trucks, and had a very active modding scene when I was in California
     
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    I had a Ranger back in the mid-90s. Five speed, BBFA package with air. It never let me down.
     
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  12. ramuman

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    I heard musings about it on Jalopnik. That would be awesome. Not everyone needs F150 level size. I can think of a lot of use cases for one. Construction and the usual stuff, but I could even see a group of friends pitching in on one for moving, bringing home the new TV or couch, etc.

    I have no idea why that small truck category essentially is 6 feet under as of now.
     
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    Cool video. That is a huge huge thing. CMU, MIT, Berkeley, Stanford, and GT are spending tons of resources on it. As are Google, Amazon, and well...I've brought them up too much already.

    All in good faith and all working together. The car scenario represents a microcosm of issues that will be far more broadly impactful as well.

    We've had this issue in the past - a great documentary is 'The Fog of War' where McNamara defends the decision to drop a nuclear weapon on Japan. In that case, it was humans making the decision - but now you have teraflops of processing power in your hand and AI is scarily impressive.

    I think outside of creating our own mass extinction event environmentally, this is the other major issue.

    Edit: A wonderful book on ethics as a followup is 'The Making of the Atomic Bomb'.
     
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  15. Dino944

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    I know RTC took the route of taking his Miata out and figuring out out to drive a standard on his own, which is great. However, I didn't want the Mrs. learning on our fun cars, as I had tried teaching her and it didn't seem to go that well in the past. So I signed her up for one 2 hour lesson at http://stickshiftacademy.com/ , which either RTC or some other person here suggested. I couldn't be more pleased with the results. In under 2 hours she was driving the car so smoothly that when it pulled into the parking lot and started driving toward the company's parking spaces, I thought the instructor was in the driver's seat. The Mrs felt so confident and good about her lesson that she went to a dealer this morning, test drove a car with a standard transmission and had a great time. So a big thanks to whoever found that place and posted about it!!!
     
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  16. jbarwick

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    The Chicken Tax is the reason there are fewer light trucks. If you import a small truck there is a 25% tariff which squeezes the already small profit margins on those vehicles. So the only way to get around this is to set up shop building light trucks here in the good ol US of A which does not sound like a wise business move. I am no expert on this but Jalopnik bitches about it.
     
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  17. ridethecliche

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    How were the 3 series cars from the mid 2000s? Like 07 era. I was pretty shocked to see that they sell for about the same as wrxs used...


    That's great to hear!

    I'd say I'm decent with it now, but to be honest I think I'm getting the rpms up too high when I'm shifting into first but that's because I have a hard time with the rpm drop as the clutch engaged. I haven't had a terrible jalopy shift in a while so I'll say that it's a success. Stabbing the throttle in first and second does cause a lurch, but I'm not sure if that's normal or if it's due to the clutch. Letting the clutch in and out while in fifth doesn't cause weird surging issues so I'm guessing the clutch is still pretty decent.

    I have been pretty liberal with the e brake on any uneven surfaces, but overall I think I'm slipping the clutch a bit too much in standing starts.

    Dino did they still have a wrx?
     
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    Yes, the company car is a WRX just like in the ad. She had a lot of fun. It was $150 for 2 hours. They start you out in a parking lot at an industrial complex, where they show you a few things, put you behind the wheel, explain what they want you to do, and they give you helpful hints and comments about how to do something better. She said after the first 40 minutes she had most of the basics down, and then it was just practicing, and all the instructor had to do was tell her which streets to turn onto because she doesn't know the area. The instructor said she didn't stall out at all during the lesson. I had taken her out in a car a few years ago and she just wasn't getting what I was explaining to her, but maybe there is too much pressure when a husband is teaching a wife to drive. Anyway, the course was well worth it to save our cars and our marriage [​IMG].
     
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    I have a feeling you don't really like me that much, but I wouldn't say your posts come off as pedantic: they come off as zealotry. Sometimes your posts read similarly to those guys who stand on a downtown street corner screaming at the top of their lungs about their chosen deity and what will happen to non-believers. I'm saying this as an ECE major myself and someone who appreciates your posts about some of the more technical details.
     
  20. ridethecliche

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    Haha that's awesome!

    My miata releases way off the ground and it threw me a bunch when I first started learning. Definitely gets better with time. Honestly, it's super impressive to have not stalled at all!

    The newer wrxs have hill assist as well.
     
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