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C&J last 348 and 236 vs 341

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Miklas, Feb 1, 2011.

  1. Miklas

    Miklas Member

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    I've tried in another thread but it didn't pick up so I'm starting my own instead.

    So, I'm about to purchase a pair of C&J shoes from pediwear since there are no resellers where I live.
    This means that I can't try on the shoes before buying.
    I've tried a pair of C&J Arden UK size 8 fitting E with last 341 and these were a good fit but perhaps a little too narrow behind the toes. The seller told me that if I went up half a size the shoe would fit me in the front but would be too loose around the heel and therefore the size 8 would still be the best.

    Judging from this informatin how would you think the last 348 and 236 would fit me?


    Thanks in advance.
     
  2. Miklas

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    I'll help you bump since size 8E on last 341 is my only experience from C&J, and I certainly need more experiences.
     
  4. Parker

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    The toe box is a little longer on the 348, so it might fit you better than the 341. I'm a size 8 (UK) in the C&Js I've tried. The 348 was a little too long for me, the 341 is better. Both have pointed (tapered?) toes whereas the 236 has a rounder toe. The 236 may have more room width-wise for your piggies.
     
  5. Miklas

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    Thank you Parker! This was exactly the information I was looking for. [​IMG]
     
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    The toe box is a little longer on the 348, so it might fit you better than the 341. I'm a size 8 (UK) in the C&Js I've tried. The 348 was a little too long for me, the 341 is better. Both have pointed (tapered?) toes whereas the 236 has a rounder toe. The 236 may have more room width-wise for your piggies.

    The 341 is round toe.
     
  7. citoyen

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    The toe box is a little longer on the 348, so it might fit you better than the 341. I'm a size 8 (UK) in the C&Js I've tried. The 348 was a little too long for me, the 341 is better. Both have pointed (tapered?) toes whereas the 236 has a rounder toe. The 236 may have more room width-wise for your piggies.

    full agreement, here.

    i own shoes on 236 and 341 last and sometime want to buy a chukka on 348 last (forgot the name right now...tadbury?). I tried it on several times, so i think i might compare the 3 lasts.
    i´d like to add, that there are opionions that you usually should buy the 348 half a size smaller than the other c&j lasts, due to its elongation etc. whatnot. i find for MYSELF that i wear the same siöze on the different lasts.

    particularly i´d like to compare the 341 cottesmore (jodhpur style) and the 236 connaught: both fitting well, but i "feel" my pinky toe with the cottesmore, whereas with the 236, i don´t.

    just a further addiotion to the above post.
     
  8. Cuttingboard

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    I'm curious about this also because I'm looking at the C&J Drummond, which is on the 348 last. This would be my first pair of C&J's. I normally wear a 9.5 D US, which means a 9 E UK.
     
  9. citoyen

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    cuttingboard: you´ll have to know your size in at least one c&j last to get a fairly accurate comparison. I´d say C&J are true to size. I only once sized up to my "usual" size which i´m taking across all manufacturers, that was with LUDWIG REITER - i sized up a full size.

    back to your question: know your size with C&J, then go shopping online. or try on one of the other usual suspects (lobb, green, cheaney, trickers, you name it) and start a comparison thread after you used the search function unsuccesfully [​IMG] .

    buying a manufacturer online is always a bit risky. if you won´t pay for packing and postage, you could buy two sizes and send the one back which is not fitting.

    citoyen
     
  10. forex

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    I am thinking to get a pair of CJs in suede on 236 last,would it be correct to assume that 236 fits similar to 325 last? Anybody who owns both of these lasts can provide a quick comparison?
     
  11. EBugatti

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    Just a word of warning, since you are my size (9.5D US). The 348 is a NARROW last--forget the length. Whereas I normally size down one full size in most E and F fitting English shoes, for the 348 I only size down half a size. So on the 337 last (Belgrave et al.) I take an 8.5E, for the 348 I take a 9E. I couldn't even put on the 8.5E in the 348 it was so tight. YMMV.
     
  12. Cuttingboard

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    Citoyen and EBugatti - Great infomation and very much appreciated!! As much as I hate to do it, I'm going to visit a local shoe store that carries C&J and try on several shoes to get an accurate measurement.

    I have only one pair of European sized shoes that I bought sight unseen and they are a 42. I was told that they run large.
     
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    As another data point, I size down a full size for both the 348 and 341. I wear a US 9D. They feel pretty similar to me in terms of how they fit along the sides of the foot, the 348 just has a bit more space in the toe box in front of your toes, so not sure if that will solve the OP's pinching issue.

    As an aside, I find myself wearing my 348s less and less.
     
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    As another data point, I size down a full size for both the 348 and 341. I wear a US 9D. They feel pretty similar to me in terms of how they fit along the sides of the foot, the 348 just has a bit more space in the toe box in front of your toes, so not sure if that will solve the OP's pinching issue.

    As an aside, I find myself wearing my 348s less and less.


    Let me get this right...you normally wear an 9D US / 8.5E/F UK and you had to size down to an 8 UK for the 348 because of the extra room in the toe?
     
  15. LesterSnodgrass

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    The more I read threads about sizing, the more I believe that every foot is different. I have many pairs of C&J, in many lasts, and most of these posts are slightly off from my experience.

    Thus, If you are ordering online, order in multiple sizes and return those that don't fit. Return shipping is a wholly worthwhile cost of business.
     
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    The more I read threads about sizing, the more I believe that every foot is different. I have many pairs of C&J, in many lasts, and most of these posts are slightly off from my experience.
    Well, that's why there are many different lasts out there. Some people just don't use the opportunity. If one pre-selects a last, size (and maybe width) are the only parameters one can tweak to get an acceptable fit. Consequently, sizes and withs differ for each wearer. I've come to the opinion, that it's better to pre-select your true size if possible and try different lasts. This way, one gets a fitting shoe.
    Thus, If you are ordering online, order in multiple sizes and return those that don't fit. Return shipping is a wholly worthwhile cost of business.
    I agree, except for the multiple sizes bit. [​IMG]
     
  17. Cuttingboard

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    The more I read threads about sizing, the more I believe that every foot is different. I have many pairs of C&J, in many lasts, and most of these posts are slightly off from my experience.

    Thus, If you are ordering online, order in multiple sizes and return those that don't fit. Return shipping is a wholly worthwhile cost of business.


    Yes, this is what I'm thinking...anyone know how much it costs to ship shoes back to Pediwear in the UK? I believe the US Post Office charges $30.

    LesterSnodgrass - Have you ever been to SkyValet on Wisconsin Ave. in Georgetown? If so, I'm curious what your experience has been?
     
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    236 is from my experience narrower than 348. 9D US on 236 was too narrow for me. 8E UK on 348 fits me well.
     
  19. Cuttingboard

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    236 is from my experience narrower than 348. 9D US on 236 was too narrow for me. 8E UK on 348 fits me well.

    Correct me if I'm wrong but a 9D US is an 8.5E UK, so you had to size down to an 8E UK in the 348 last?
     
  20. iand

    iand Well-Known Member

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    Correct me if I'm wrong but a 9D US is an 8.5E UK, so you had to size down to an 8E UK in the 348 last?

    I think 9D US is 8E UK in C&J.
     

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