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C & J Boots for talking

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Salsalocust, Jun 1, 2007.

  1. Salsalocust

    Salsalocust Well-Known Member

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    Could I have opinions on the relative merits of these two very different sample boots in UK 7.5E.

    Neither is currently being placed for sale on Ebay until I clear a 7.5 or two, so I thought I'd see what you thought of them.

    The first is a "Greenwich". I think it's on the 348 last with a dainite sole. The combination of the 'rough out nubuck' [edit: see #9 below] with the burnished toe will divide opinion.

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    The second is a "Welland". It is on the 341 last with a double leather sole. As a high sided boot which I would call a 'George' boot,I imagine it is destined for the European (German?) market.

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  2. VMan

    VMan Well-Known Member

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    I like the interesting contrast effect of the first pair.
     
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    I like both of them though I would probably purchase the Welland way before I convinced myself to by the first one.

    Also I wish they would go wholecut on at least the outseam of the chelsea?
     
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    dkzzzz Well-Known Member

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    Does C&J makes chelsea or Joudphour on 341? I would like to have a double-sole boot.
     
  5. TKDKid

    TKDKid Well-Known Member

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    Does C&J makes chelsea or Joudphour on 341? I would like to have a double-sole boot.

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  6. von Rothbart

    von Rothbart Well-Known Member

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    I also like the contrasting effect of Greenwich. If I do a MTO Greenwich I'd like the upper vamp and upper in calf with a shade or two lighter than the toe-wing and heel counter.
     
  7. dkzzzz

    dkzzzz Well-Known Member

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    Thank you. They don't list the price at plal for this model. Should I assume they cost the same as the most expencive boots listed there? Which is 1299=$382.00
     
  8. TKDKid

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    Thank you. They don't list the price at plal for this model. Should I assume they cost the same as the most expencive boots listed there? Which is 1299=$382.00

    The price in C&J's mail order & retail catalogue 2006/07 is GBP 330 - that's pretty much the same price as a pair of Handgrades!

    It's available at Pediwear for GBP 290 (excluding VAT).
     
  9. Salsalocust

    Salsalocust Well-Known Member

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    I'm not thrilled with the Greenwich. But then I've always been iffy about Chelseas (even though my RM Williams Craftsman are among my favorite shoes). To me the Greenwich is too dressy and too country.

    I love the Welland. I'd like it even more with a cap toe.

    Also, is the Cottesmore the same as the Polo Holland?
     
  11. DocHolliday

    DocHolliday Well-Known Member

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    I don't care for the Greenwich. It makes me think of some Ballband boots that are stinking up a local discount store. Maybe I'd like it more in person.

    I do like the Welland.
     
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    grimslade Well-Known Member

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    Also, is the Cottesmore the same as the Polo Holland?


    They are on different lasts, for starters.
     
  13. Salsalocust

    Salsalocust Well-Known Member

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    BTW: The Welland UK 7.5E is now listed

    Regards,

    Graham
     
  14. Sander

    Sander Well-Known Member

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    The second is a "Welland". It is on the 341 last with a double leather sole. As a high sided boot which I would call a 'George' boot,I imagine it is destined for the European (German?) market.

    As a German, I would like to know why you think this style was intended for the German market.
     
  15. Salsalocust

    Salsalocust Well-Known Member

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    Hi,

    Simply from talking to people at Tricker's and C & J.

    It is possible to profile which shoes are intended for which markets: red linings, 'bentley green' socks for this market, suede or crepe sole for that , cordovan shell for the other and tan brogue boots for another.



    Cancelled orders that don't make their intended markets also help. The "?" indicates that it was merely a suggestion nothing more.

    It wasn't meant as a sleight. I hope no offence was taken?

    Regards,

    Graham
     
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    No, of course I wasn't offended. Sorry if it sounded like I was.
    I would just like to know which specific characteristics of this shoe made you think that it was made for the German market, that's all. (So that I could make out secret attributes of the German soul [​IMG] )
     
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    i'm not big on pebbled leather. does it hold up better/same/worse than regular smooth calfskin leather?
     
  18. Salsalocust

    Salsalocust Well-Known Member

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    The "easy" answer is that it is it is more durable. Whether it is factually correct I have no idea.

    Certainly Church, C & J and Tricker all have a range of country boots and shoes that are predominantly sought in a variety of grains. Country/scotch/zug are all deeply entrenched in the psyche of the countryside and the durability of working therein would traditionally have needed to be formidable.

    The grain currently being used on samples by C & J is named Alpine Grain - a 'finer' grain which cosmetically gives the nod to lizard or snakeskin and more likely to appeal to a younger demographic. However, if the likes of Johnny Depp continues to wear boots such as the C & J Coniston.... there will be plenty of others ready to go with the grain, rather than agin' it.

    Regards,

    Graham
     
  19. bengal-stripe

    bengal-stripe Well-Known Member

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    The second is a "Welland". It is on the 341 last with a double leather sole. As a high sided boot which I would call a 'George' boot,I imagine it is destined for the European (German?) market.
    That's not a 'George boot'! It's a 'Derby boot', also known as 'Old Man's boot'. (No, I did not make that up.)

    The 'George' is a cousin of the 'Chukka', only higher, exhibiting lots of instep cleavage. Here is the original version, as made by Sanders & Sanders for the British Army:
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    Entry on George boot on Wikipedia (but only in German):
    http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/George-Boot
     
  20. A Harris

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    I don't like the first one, but the second one is cool.
     

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