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Better Days ...

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by sysdoc, May 2, 2006.

  1. sysdoc

    sysdoc Well-Known Member

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    I would be very said if aportnoy did in fact leave for good. Sysdoc, however, I think you should consider some of your comments (which to my reading, contain some subtle and some not-so-subtle jabs). It's not going to help the situation to keep bickering about the Vass shoes thread and particularly, A Harris, who has made plenty of posts out of philanthropy that were not at all related to Vass. I agree that the state of the forum has declined more or less over time (while my little forum just seems to get better and better [​IMG]). I think the solution is not more moderation but to just step back, take things less seriously and try to remain friendly with people. And I would like to say, as a moderator (being completely hypocritical for a moment), that the jabs at the offender with the blabbermouth comment truly need to end. If you feel yourself needing to spit out slanderous comments (however witty and subtle they may be), sit on your hands please.
    I was afraid to read the responses to my posting and only dared to go as far as yours, Brian. I'm not sure if I want to read further as I prefer to remain cool blooded and good mooded. I would like to point out however, that I am in no way claiming that I am a saint. In fact I am light years from it. I have made unfounded snide or snappy remarks that I deeply regret and I cannot even promise that I won't fall in my own trap again. However, I am trying to counter my 'bad behavior' with posts that are useful for everyone in the forum. As far as I am concerned that's all I can do. Since the SF re-launch I've found very little desire to take time and make major postings, as the conduct of some members took away every enthusiasm I might have had. Maybe some of you remember my visit to Janne Melkersson and the shoe we made together. I took 10 GB of pictures ... for the style forum. That's three months ago now. I've got three JLs here that are made on the new 1105 last and there's plenty more ... I said that I have my own opinions about certain things and that I will not make them public. The Vass thingie was unfortunately the reason that a very popular SF member got so fed up with SF that he felt forced to leave. I am not at all jabbing at Steve, because I can very well imagine how this famous lapse happened. Besides, I know how damn hard it is to find good and dedicated forum moderators. J is a lucky motherf***** for the bunch he's got here and that includes Steve. I have no idea if you get compensated for your job, but I would be surprised if you did. I think you guys do a great job. Nonetheless we've got to get back to a climate where those members feel welcome, who are willing to put a substantial degree of energy in their posts. Once they are all pissed off and gone, SF will be but an empty shell with very little value for anyone. Once again, these are just my 2 cents worth. Fell free to rip it apart.
     
  2. billiebob

    billiebob Well-Known Member

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    Most of the value here is produced by a small minority of registered members. Without these guys, and the laudable efforts of our moderators, this forum would just degenerate to...hell I don't want to get specific, but there are several message boards run by major publishers devoted to men's clothes that are just impossible to wade through. Witty comments are fun on any message board, but it's the fabulous content that sets this place apart.

    It takes exceptional people to put the kind of energy it takes to create posts really worth something. It's common for these people to have strong wills and personalities, and those who put the most effort into the forum are best positioned to get offended and leave. That's the sad part.

    I was shocked at some of the posts in the Vass thread, but it seemed to come from a continuum of negativity that's been building since the forum came back online.

    Just wanted to share these dismaying thoughts. I don't have much of a solution, but I'm sure this place is headed south if people don't chill the f*** out and stop reveling in their clever put-downs.

    The enthusiasm SF has cultivated in my formerly intimidating task of figuring out what to wear in civilized envionments is something I'll value for a while, even if everyone I know thinks I'm totally insane to become interested in the relative merits of Borrelli vs. Barba shirts or polishing shoes from makers they've never heard of more than twice a year.
     
  3. A Harris

    A Harris Well-Known Member

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    a few days ago:

    today:

    ???

    Anyways, I vote that Aportnoy stays too, for the good of all shoe lovers on the forum.
     
  4. whoopee

    whoopee Well-Known Member

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    sysdoc, I hope you do post those pictures and more often in general. I remember seeing the shoes you and Janne made and would love to hear more about them. And of course, the shoe porn you contribute is downright drool-inducing.
     
  5. whnay.

    whnay. Well-Known Member

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    I stop posting for a couple of days to tend to a hefty business load and fucking andrew announces he's leaving? What in the world in going around here?

    Look Andrew, take some time off buddy, clear the head, hell buy some more shoes but please don't leave. One of the reasons I've stuck around is because of your generosity in sharing via posts and pictures your wonderful hobby. And it goes without saying that without you around the entire community would take a hit, it just wouldn't be the same without you.

    The genesis of this forum is to share our love for fine clothing, good deals, and the occasional pictorial of fine shoes. The fact that business interests have gotten in the way of this and diluted the experience, damaging relationships and fractioning the community in the process, is extremely unfortunate. Lets get over it people and move on...
     
  6. Matt

    Matt Well-Known Member

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    there is one really great thing about this thread Andrew, and that is the way that it brought out people who barely ever post, along with those of us who post a lot (read: 'way the hell too much') all thanking you for your contribution and voicing a hope that you will hang around.

    nice to see all the board on one side again.

    Matt
     
  7. DocHolliday

    DocHolliday Well-Known Member

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    Look Andrew, take some time off buddy, clear the head, hell buy some more shoes but please don't leave. One of the reasons I've stuck around is because of your generosity in sharing via posts and pictures your wonderful hobby. And it goes without saying that without you around the entire community would take a hit, it just wouldn't be the same without you.

    I agree. If we can all take a deep breath and let a bit of time pass, this too will pass. I know feelings have been hurt, but there's no reason for anyone to leave.
     
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    skalogre Well-Known Member

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    We need a :cheerleader: smiley methinks (trust me you'd rather see that than me in a cheerleader outfit) [​IMG] . I will just reiterate what I said before; I came for the advice, stayed for the people, including Andrew. Indiscretions will happen; if you think this is bad, my god, you should see some other (*NON-CLOTHING - NO FNB/LL/AAAC INNUENDOS*) fora!
     
  10. benecios

    benecios Well-Known Member

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    Had a few days away and come back and see this.I hope you have now had a re-think Andrew and will decide to come back as your "shoe damage" threads are the BEST!!
     
  11. josepidal

    josepidal Well-Known Member

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    Aportnoy is a gentleman both in his porn posts and in PM.
     
  12. modsquad

    modsquad Well-Known Member

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    Andrew, if you come back I promise to order the Edward Green Newbury's in olive leather at the trunk show this weekend.
     
  13. JBZ

    JBZ Well-Known Member

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    I will add my voice to those that hope aportnoy will return. He has made valuable contributions to the forum, as has AHarris. I thought that some of the posts in the Vass thread were very unfortunate, but I hope that everyone can put it behind them and move past it.

    I've always liked Styleforum for its generally collegial atmosphere. Hopefully, we can continue to make this a place where everyone feels welcome.

    Edited: to clarify that I didn't think the unfortunate posts in the Vass thread specifically came from aportnoy or AHarris. It was intended as a general statement.
     
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    chorse123 Well-Known Member

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    Awesome.
     
  16. Matt

    Matt Well-Known Member

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    globetrotter Well-Known Member

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    Awesome.


    lol[​IMG]
     
  18. Get Smart

    Get Smart Well-Known Member

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    Awesome.

    haha that pic rules!

    +10000000 on andrew returning to post. Seeing his pics *almost* makes me want to buy shoes that aren't even anything I'd wear but they look so damn good on that crazy carpet.
     
  19. Beckwith

    Beckwith Well-Known Member

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    lol...quality post
     
  20. gdl203

    gdl203 Well-Known Member

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    [​IMG]

    Ernest turned kidnapper? [​IMG]

    We want proof that the brown shoes are alive and well... need pictures with the trees and recent newspaper !
     

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