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Best Speaker Cables?

Discussion in 'Fine Living, Home, Design & Auto' started by kronik, Nov 28, 2008.

  1. Thomas

    Thomas Well-Known Member

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    I'm just waiting for this thread to be merged with the "These are fake, right" thread.
     
  2. JetBlast

    JetBlast Well-Known Member

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    Gladwell?

    I don't think it would be a colossal waste of time because I would expect to walk out with a significant sum of your money when reality came crashing down on your poor little pathetic head and you were unable to tell the difference between any two wires of your choice.

    You, however, seem to lack any spine or courage of your convictions. Pussy.


    You're talking about fucking stereo wire. Calm the fuck down.
     
  3. RJmanbearpig

    RJmanbearpig Well-Known Member

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    You're talking about fucking stereo wire. Calm the fuck down.

    Young Master Jetfire speaks the truth.

    Threads like this restore my faith in humanity.
     
  4. Artisan Fan

    Artisan Fan Well-Known Member

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    You don't explain it to GQ.
    Teflon in some speaker cables is used as insulation. Eg. in af's beloved Kimber 8TC.
    You can buy them for about €4 per meter. You can also buy teflon tubes and make your very own braided cables around a teflon tube and insulated by teflon... for a fraction of the silly prices that af pays (and get at least as good sound quality) ... that way you have money left over for EG shoes.


    It's not that simple you need a high pressure, low temperature insulation process and that takes manufacturing and extrusion knowledge and investment. As a result just braiding DIY cable around teflon does not sound nearly as good. I have A/Bed those cables and they don't sound good. Look at the Nordost line, their teflon and monofilament manufacturing process is one that allows those cables to resolve a lot of detail in the music.
     
  5. Artisan Fan

    Artisan Fan Well-Known Member

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    Monster is notoriously overpriced.

    Any cable Best Buy or a similar store sells will perform just as good as Monster.


    Quite true. Monster is the Armani of cable.
     
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    Just curious, but whose sock puppet is Sprezzatura2069? Is he the truth?

    Also, AF, why not set up double-blind tests of some of these things? If your chosen brands really do perform better, it'll show all the sock puppets and naysayers.


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  7. Artisan Fan

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  8. the truth

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    Quite true. Monster is the Armani of cable.
    Which is the Kiton of cables? By that, I mean to ask which is not what it claims to be.
     
  9. RJmanbearpig

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    Which is the Kiton of cables? By that, I mean to ask which is not what it claims to be.

    What is the Berluti of cables?
     
  10. Artisan Fan

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    I think clothing is a difficult comparison as the tech doesn't really change that much. Maybe cars is better...there are some new manufacturing methods such as the Crystal Cable use of gold and the monofilament tech from Nordost.

    Nordost would be Ferrari - high performance but really spendy pricing.
    Cardas would be Porsche - long history, great performance, fair price.
    Kimber might be BMW - Very good performance and decent price.
    Blue Jeans might be some of the sporty models of VW - high value per dollar.
    Jorma Prime would be Bentley - insane pricing but terrific performance and luxury build.
    Harmonic Technology would be Audi - great performance for the dollar, decent tech.
    Argentum Acoustics (part of XLO company) might be Spyker but without the price, new brand but exciting sound.
    Kubala-Sosna might be Aston Martin - luxury pricing and performance.
     
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    I think clothing is a difficult comparison as the tech doesn't really change that much. Maybe cars is better...there are some new manufacturing methods such as the Crystal Cable use of gold and the monofilament tech from Nordost.

    Nordost would be Ferrari - high performance but really spendy pricing.
    Cardas would be Porsche - long history, great performance, fair price.
    Kimber might be BMW - Very good performance and decent price.
    Blue Jeans might be some of the sporty models of VW - high value per dollar.
    Jorma Prime would be Bentley - insane pricing but terrific performance and luxury build.
    Harmonic Technology would be Audi - great performance for the dollar, decent tech.
    Argentum Acoustics (part of XLO company) might be Spyker but without the price, new brand but exciting sound.
    Kubala-Sosna might be Aston Martin - luxury pricing and performance.


    These comparisons make absolutely no sense and seem completely subjective. Pls elaborate on the difference btwn the Bentley and Aston Martin vis-a-vis the audio tech angle. Also, where does Radio Shack fit in? Saturn? Honda? Chevy? Finally, I was thinking of buying some new speaker wire for Xmas and wanted something along the lines of a Toyota. What would you suggest? [​IMG]
     
  12. JetBlast

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    Nordost would be Ferrari - high performance but really spendy pricing.
    Cardas would be Porsche - long history, great performance, fair price.
    Kimber might be BMW - Very good performance and decent price.
    Blue Jeans might be some of the sporty models of VW - high value per dollar.
    Jorma Prime would be Bentley - insane pricing but terrific performance and luxury build.
    Harmonic Technology would be Audi - great performance for the dollar, decent tech.
    Argentum Acoustics (part of XLO company) might be Spyker but without the price, new brand but exciting sound.
    Kubala-Sosna might be Aston Martin - luxury pricing and performance.


    See now I just don't understand.
     
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    These comparisons make absolutely no sense and seem completely subjective. Pls elaborate on the difference btwn the Bentley and Aston Marin vis-a-vis the audio tech angle. Also, where does Radio Shack fit in? Saturn? Honda? Chevy? Finally, I was thinking of buying some new speaker wire for Xmas and wanted something along the lines of a Toyota. What would you suggest? [​IMG]

    They are subjective but my best guess. Roma, look at Kimber 8TC if it fits your budget. Audioquest entry level for less money.
     
  14. Artisan Fan

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    Audioquest >> Toyota.
    Monster >> Chevy.
     
  15. RJmanbearpig

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    F, if you want to give me $21K I will personally stand in one place and be the conduct for your stereo. No distortion. Small footprint.
     
  16. Artisan Fan

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    AF, if you want to give me $21K I will personally stand in one place and be the conduct for your stereo. No distortion. Small footprint.

    I have my doubts about the "no distortion" claim. [​IMG]

    I would never buy some of these super-pricey cables but on the other hand it is simply incorrect to suggest that all audio cables are snake oil and not adding value or sonic improvement.
     
  17. A Y

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    Does anybody have any speaker cables to cut open?

    It's been done. Corey Greenberg cut open one of those boxes on the ends of MIT's speaker cables, only to find a big coil inside it. The Grado headphone amp was also revealed to be a cheesy bit of engineering by cutting away its potting. Cutting audio things apart is done more often than cutting clothes.

    Why no love for Heros? You don't think they sound good? Everyone I know loves them. A relative bargain among high end cables.

    They sound fine ... when they work. Because they have no shielding, and the braiding is so loose, they're prone to picking up noise, so you have to fiddle with them quite a bit before they're quiet. If Kimber were serious about their braiding, there are far better ways to execute it, but not shielding the cable is just plain stupid.

    what the is teflon dielectric? And here I thought teflon was for cheap non-stick frying pans.

    Dielectric is the cable insulation. Teflon is actually a very good insulator if you're doing microwave transmission, ie. using very high frequency signals that are orders of magnitude faster than audio signals. For audio, no one's ever proven that it makes an audible difference.

    I would never buy some of these super-pricey cables but on the other hand it is simply incorrect to suggest that all audio cables are snake oil and not adding value or sonic improvement.

    Generally, audio cables are not snake oil, but the explanations offered for some cables' (unproven) sonic superiority is pure snake oil.

    It's not that simple you need a high pressure, low temperature insulation process and that takes manufacturing and extrusion knowledge and investment. As a result just braiding DIY cable around teflon does not sound nearly as good. I have A/Bed those cables and they don't sound good. Look at the Nordost line, their teflon and monofilament manufacturing process is one that allows those cables to resolve a lot of detail in the music.

    So you ran a listening test in which the only variable that changed was the process by which they applied the Teflon? I have a hard time believing that.

    --Andre
     
  18. RJmanbearpig

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    How much does the best speaker cable cost, AF?

    And AY, what is your opinion of the cost of the best speaker cable?
     
  19. Thomas

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    How much does the best speaker cable cost, AF?

    And AY, what is your opinion of the cost of the best speaker cable?


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