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Before SF where did you learn the "rules?"

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by The Louche, Nov 20, 2009.

  1. baseball_guy

    baseball_guy Well-Known Member

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    im only 22, but when i say casino royale at 18, i was like... i definitely want to look like "THAT GUY", started to read GQ, Details, my dad dressed nice, but not where i wanted to be nice, and then i discovered style forum, which has made me a don corleone of dressing, i wouldnt even look at a suit from macys now..... i turn my head when i pass the suit section and shake my head at those who shop there

    I've seen people mention GQ often. I'll have to buy an issue and look.
     
  2. JLibourel

    JLibourel Well-Known Member

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    Various style guides and etiquette books over the years.

    Never got any real instruction from the men in my family, my grandfather and my uncle, which was unfortunate, especially because I believe my grandfather was a pretty good dresser.

    My father was killed at the outbreak of WWII before I was born. Most photos I have of him are in uniform.

    Many of these rules like "no bluchers with a suits" or "pinstripes for business only" I was totally obliviously to until I entered the land of the iGentry.
     
  3. Rusty G.

    Rusty G. Well-Known Member

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    My dad taught me how to dress for success. He used to wear a suit to work everyday (growing up in the 60's & 70's), so I thought that's how everyone dresses. Anway, when I reached college, I worked in a retail clothing store and gained more insight.
     
  4. BB1

    BB1 Well-Known Member

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    You guys learned "the rules" from your father or grandfather?? This sure explains a lot of the stodginess (that looks like it came from a generation other than your own) which is so common here in the MC forum.
     
  5. DocHolliday

    DocHolliday Well-Known Member

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    And the fact that many guys didn't explains a lot of the hot messes that are so common here in the MC forum.
     
  6. ramuman

    ramuman Well-Known Member

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    Frankly, before SF, I didn't know the rules. Thankfully I've been a reasonably quick learner [​IMG].
     
  7. comrade

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    My Dad by example. He wore conservative semi-trad clothing
    including bespoke shirts. I also attended an Ivy College
    in the 60s.
    Negative examples were my uncles who were wealthy
    entrepreneurs and wore "flashy" expensive suits along
    with white on white shirts, etc in the 50s and 60s.
    One uncle was an exception. He wore bespoke clothing from a
    New York tailor, D'Andrea, I believe. He always wore dark
    suits, sometimes double breasted with side vents. His
    wife, my aunt, was an original Rockette.
     
  8. modern_leifeng

    modern_leifeng Well-Known Member

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    My father mainly and some of the men's magazines (Esquire, GQ), and beyond that just looking at the people in the office I worked in during summers when I was in high school. My dad's a nice, if conservative, dresser, but has been a negative influence in the fit area, he gets almost everything from BB and that's where he'd take me, though their "fit" isn't quite what I'm going for now that I know better, which is why I have multiple BB shirts and suits that I no longer wear.
     
  9. globetrotter

    globetrotter Well-Known Member

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    I was completely oblivious. Went from high school straight into a military academy for college, and just got out of the Army, so that forced me to start researching based on my need for job interviews, etc. Led me here. Prior to this, the only rules I used to dress came straight out of AR 670-1

    My streetwear collection was laughable, but over time I at least recognized that I should wear slimmer fits to match my body type.


    very similar - had to learn to dress quickly with no background, and needed to look respectable enough to close big deals. started doing research.
     
  10. HORNS

    HORNS Well-Known Member

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    My dad made my brothers and I read Malloy's Dress for Success when I was in junior high. Today, I get a lot of inspiration from StyleForvm, but I still dress according to my personal aesthetics.
     
  11. Dewey

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    Not sure about "rules" but I have thought how I learned what I know about clothes. Basically this learning feeds on information. This stuff is available outside the internet and always has been.

    The usual print sources (guides, novels, magazines) are one source. Television and films show people wearing clothes. My father was another source of information. He did not provide a lot of guidance but would make comments such as, "that tie knot looks a little tight." And he dressed pretty carefully. Other mentors, such as college professors, I spent a lot of time looking at. Sometimes a salesman in a store gave me a concise and impressive lecture; I still remember one old guy laying out the available variety of sport coats and explaining the order in which it would make sense to acquire five.

    And of course I studied the clothes themselves. Generally my parents did not buy things for me. Until I was 16, they gave me money and took me somewhere -- a mall, an outlet mall, a store, whatever -- and let me pick my own things. I made good choices generally but my style was not focussed at all. I wore all kinds of everything. After 16 I had to buy my own clothes so I got even fewer new things for quite a while.

    How does this add up into knowing some rules? If you pay attention, you see how slowly mens' style changes. You come to roll your eyes at the way some men jump on trends late and execute them poorly. This can be what proves that some things were a bad idea from the start. Likewise you could have learned a lot of the better rules by trial and error. Not matching your socks to your shoes is easy enough to figure out on your own. Also not buying cheap leather shoes or silly or cheap ties. Manton did not invent this rule. Not wearing as many patterns as possible. Not investing in lime green dress shirts. Not buying the amazing Brioni cords on super duper super sale because you see they are bright red. Not having too many flannel shirts. Etc. etc.
     
  12. shiftless_bum

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    Self-directed learning. I come from the farmlands in Canada where attire was mostly blue jeans or utility clothing. "Dress clothes" were chain store products mostly and often sizes too large. None of the men in my immediate family "dress well", rather more practically. It's only in the last couple of years, that I've made a concerted shift to dressing well. Allen Flusser's Dressing the Man and various sundry other books have provided some guidance. Websites are more hit and miss although this site generally provides good information and often more of a "why" from some more knowledgeable members. So I'm learning, learning from my mistakes and still stumbiling towards developing style from a slowly evolving fashion sense. Baby steps.
     
  13. Film Noir Buff

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    My father was killed at the outbreak of WWII before I was born. Most photos I have of him are in uniform.
    Pearl Harbor?
    Many of these rules like "no bluchers with a suits" or "pinstripes for business only" I was totally obliviously to until I entered the land of the iGentry.
    You can add me to that list but the confusion probably stems from these "rules" being pure fiction. I have noticed a habit of men who need to assign labels to everything in order to function are also willing to rationalize that these rules have always existed.
     
  14. Film Noir Buff

    Film Noir Buff Well-Known Member

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    And the fact that many guys didn't explains a lot of the hot messes that are so common here in the MC forum.
    Also, people come from different directions. Some people want to fit in, some want to stand out. Others want to ask for a consensus on what makes one fit in or stand out. Where people are and what they do probably matters more than a solely aesthetic evaluation of what they are wearing.
     
  15. forex

    forex Well-Known Member

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    I learnt everything from FNB until I discovered SF.
     
  16. Film Noir Buff

    Film Noir Buff Well-Known Member

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    I learnt everything from FNB until I discovered SF.
    You are being most kind but I can only help people out with a modicum of talent.[​IMG]
     
  17. Glados1984

    Glados1984 Well-Known Member

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    Pearl Harbor?



    You can add me to that list but the confusion probably stems from these "rules" being pure fiction. I have noticed a habit of men who need to assign labels to everything in order to function are also willing to rationalize that these rules have always existed.


    The outbreak of WW2 was in 1939.


    I learnt a lot from selling suits as a teenager in two different shops. quite nice stuff. not top end but let showed me that something can look crap on one person and great on another. Also let me try on a lot and help develop a personal style. After trying some designer clothing and finding it fit soooo much better than the cheaper stuff I had (i'm quite tall) i researched further.

    I came across this site a little while ago when researching Hong Kong tailors (google pinged a few threads here). I ended up going with Tai Pan Row, who's stuff was excellent for the money, despite what some of the threads here said!! I came back because this looks like a cool forum.
     
  18. JLibourel

    JLibourel Well-Known Member

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    The outbreak of WW2 was in 1939.

    Not for us, not for us.

    As to my father, he was killed on Pearl Harbor Day, but he died on the island of Beliton in the Netherlands East Indies. He flew PBYs in the Dutch Naval Air Force. It was uncertain whether it was a simple crash or through enemy action. Probably the former.
     
  19. Film Noir Buff

    Film Noir Buff Well-Known Member

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    Not for us, not for us. As to my father, he was killed on Pearl Harbor Day, but he died on the island of Beliton in the Netherlands East Indies. He flew PBYs in the Dutch Naval Air Force. It was uncertain whether it was a simple crash or through enemy action. Probably the former.
    Both an odd and unfortunate coincidence. Are you looking forward to the Speilberg series "The Pacific" ala "Band of Brothers"?
     
  20. wingin' it

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    Frankly, before SF, I didn't know the rules. Thankfully I've been a reasonably quick learner [​IMG].

    +1. Never knew much about clothes, shoes or anything about their construction, what made one nicer than another, or how they should fit. Wasted enough money following bad advice and bad trends. Glad this site exists.
     

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