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Battle of the Longwings: Alden vs. Florsheim Limited vs. Allen Edmonds

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by jrd617, Nov 11, 2010.

  1. pebblegrain

    pebblegrain Well-Known Member

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    Who will come forth and champion the BB Black Fleece longwing, made by Alden on a non-Barrie last and with a cute fruit loop possessed by no other longwing?
    Anyone ever decide what last they are on?
     
  2. polar-lemon

    polar-lemon Well-Known Member

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    Anyone ever decide what last they are on?

    Grant, I believe.
     
  3. BBC

    BBC Well-Known Member

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    Here's a pic of some better Florsheim longwings (by Duckie Brown)

    pebble, burgundy shell, black shell
    [​IMG]
     
  4. pebblegrain

    pebblegrain Well-Known Member

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    the duckie browns actually are not better. They have the same weird shape and made-in-india construction.
     
  5. Don Carlos

    Don Carlos Well-Known Member

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    My vintage Florsheim shell longwings might be my favorite pair of shoes ever, and I include my bespoke shoes in that mix. But I weep for the state of modern-day Florsheims.
     
  6. Burton

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    Who will come forth and champion the BB Black Fleece longwing, made by Alden on a non-Barrie last and with a cute fruit loop possessed by no other longwing?


    - B


    The Barrie last is horrendous. It works for many american feet because most look like this:

    [​IMG]

    However it is not nearly as bad as that Florsheim shoe. It is completely indefensible. Clearly most folks here lack rudimentary math skills. Assume Florsheim is making a profit on the shoe and work back from something like a 10% or 15% profit and see how much is left to spend on the actual materials for the shoe. You will quickly see that the leather comes from the hides of anorexic cows left wandering the streets of a developing nation. Seriously, I am not a fan of the Alden shoe but to compare either the Alden or AE shoe to that Florsheim is truly an attempt to make a silk purse from a sew's ear.
     
  7. Burton

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    I can spot a pair of Macneils a good distance away due to these three features. I'll try my best to explain what I'm talking about.

    Take a look here:
    http://www.theshoemart.com/cgi-bin/f...ll%20Cordovan#

    The third and fifth pictures from the left (the profile shots) show the pronounced downward slope of the toe box from the vamp. The Alden LW is more or less flat in the area. You can also see how far the lace go down the vamp. The leather that makes the open lacing is attached almost at the widest part of the toe box. The Alden LW attaches farther back. The third picture from the right shows how pointy the toe box is.

    These three features contribute to making the AE longwing a very unbalanced design to my eye. Additionally, they make the shoe look rather dainty in sizes roughly 9 and below. If you have an enormous foot this might be a desirable thing.

    I hope I've been clear.



    In reality the Alden shoe looks like something that Herman Munster would wear and the Allen Edmonds shoe is just that---much more of a shoe. Long wings by nature are blobby but the Alden shoe is far more blobby than necessary.
     
  8. ruben

    ruben Well-Known Member

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    I don't care for those new Florsheims, the leather looks cheap and the edge treatment looks both bad and gimmicky. Like they were made to appeal to the sartorially inclined blog.


    Though I don't actually see that much difference between the shape of that Florsheim and the shape of older, made in America, late model shell Florsheims.
     
  9. MORNINGSTAR777

    MORNINGSTAR777 Well-Known Member

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    99/100 people could not tell the difference.

    The 1%ers reside here, on Styleforum.


    Exactly and I think that's being generous.

    Who will come forth and champion the BB Black Fleece longwing, made by Alden on a non-Barrie last and with a cute fruit loop possessed by no other longwing?


    - B


    Aren't the made in England/recent shoes made by C&J? In any case I own the black suede long wings and they are my favorite shoe. I love black suede and long wings so they're my dream shoe. At some point I will have a "star-wing" done (Alden, black suede, plaza last long wing)
     
  10. forex

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    Anyone ever decide what last they are on?

    They are on Grant last,confirmed by Alden.
     
  11. polar-lemon

    polar-lemon Well-Known Member

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    I remember the difference between seeing the Aldens in person and on my feet vs. in pics--it's a world of difference. Barrie-lasted shoes always look a million times better on the foot than in a photoshoot (even the PTBs, which tend to look the blobbiest), whereas you often observe the opposite with elongated, overly sleek chisel toed shoes that many times look better in pictures than on the feet and in the context of an outfit.

    That, and those who complain about them being too blobby just don't get it.
     
  12. Icarus

    Icarus Well-Known Member

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    hate to do this, but...


    How does everyone here feel about the 360 degree welt and the elevated/norwegian style welt?

    Is this something essential to the look and feel of a longwing, or is it just unneeded clunky-ness thats accepted because they just like the shoe. I know some like exactly how it looks, but I'm wondering if you would like it as a sleeker shoe.
     
  13. Son Of Saphir

    Son Of Saphir Well-Known Member

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    but contemporary Florsheims are a travesty. My grandfather would be ashamed.

    Yes.
    lf insole not leather it not function as real shoe. [​IMG]
    Florsheim are not value because they not proper shoe any more.
     
  14. Burton

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    I remember the difference between seeing the Aldens in person and on my feet vs. in pics--it's a world of difference. Barrie-lasted shoes always look a million times better on the foot than in a photoshoot (even the PTBs, which tend to look the blobbiest), whereas you often observe the opposite with elongated, overly sleek chisel toed shoes that many times look better in pictures than on the feet and in the context of an outfit.

    That, and those who complain about them being too blobby just don't get it.


    Shoes should actually look like shoes and not

    [​IMG]

    But thinking they are too blobby is just wrong . . . .
     
  15. SpooPoker

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    I agree with ed - how can you tell if someone has an ugly foot with shoes on?
     
  16. Son Of Saphir

    Son Of Saphir Well-Known Member

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    I pose to ban anyone from this forum that thinks a stacked heel is made from wood.

    They aren't wooden. There's no such thing.
    You both wrong.
    Me speak with factory and leading rtw shoe maker who show me heel made of wood.
    lt more popular of late and will get more popular as time go on.
    Leather heel is dying breed.
     
  17. MyOtherLife

    MyOtherLife Well-Known Member

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    The Veblen looks great. Too bad no one sells them in Toronto (Canada).
    I'd gladly wear a pair. You can't beat this price or quality for the money at full retail,
    and if you can, post it.
     
  18. Alcibiades

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  19. isshinryu101

    isshinryu101 Well-Known Member

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    There's GOTTA be a choice to replace those Veblens with a pair of Florsheim v-cleat longwings.

    The new ones simply don't compare.

    IF you can sub the v-cleats, then it should be:

    Florsheim, Alden, AE (can't STAND the new "plastic" welt they use- feels cheap).

    UNLESS, the Aldens are from their older stock as well. Like the Florsheims, the older Aldens are heavier & feel sturdier in my hands.

    THEN:

    Alden, Florsheim, AE.
     
  20. fss

    fss Well-Known Member

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    There's a new longwing available from Florsheim called the "Veblen". (See: here)

    Where does the Florsheim fit in with the Alden 975 and the Allen Edmonds MacNeil?

    [​IMG]


    Can anybody explain what's the appeal of these shoes? These longwings all have the elegance of a brick wall. Ugh...
     

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