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Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by earthdragon, Nov 18, 2008.

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  1. Romp

    Romp Well-Known Member

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    Sliq - my bucks was pretty intense, see if you get inspired - got home invaded, blind folded bagged and gagged at 6am in the morning, thrown the boot of a car and driven out to bankstown airport. Put in a Robin (ala batman) tight lycra costume and strapped into the red bull open air cockpit stunt plane (I hate heights ... do not even do roller coasters). Flipped, rolled, dived, flew upside down in this tiny thing and thankfully ate no breakfast.

    I was then blind folded again and taken to paintball ... before getting "executed"

    then we went city, me in the Robin costume and had challenges to complete.. then dinner, then friend's apartment for the "par-tay"...

    I was awake for like 26 hours straight lol. Your bucks sounds good but on the tame side haha. One thing my mates found was that a) you'll have tight-wads not wanting to do anything and b) hard to fit everything into one day logistically

    ... If you make it back from your bucks:)
     
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  2. tobiasj

    tobiasj Well-Known Member

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    Hmm I will have to plan something special for my 1000th post :bigstar:
     
  3. lachyzee

    lachyzee Well-Known Member

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    I'm sorry but I really don't like this argument. The answer, from my point of view, is yes. I agree that they don't really stock anything 'Made in Australia' but...

    HN and the like will employ people who a) are young and getting the job as their first line on the CV or b) do not have the education or skills to get another job.

    I feel a particular empathy with those in category a) since I was in that position not all that long ago and remember how hard it was to get that first job.

    Every Ojays/Darrell Lea/David Jones/Harvey Norman that goes out of business costs the jobs of a whole lot unskilled and unqualified people who would struggle the most to get a job somewhere else. Not to mention the flow on effect to the professionals in this thread... ie whatever law firm that handles HN's commercial leasing... the accounting firm that audits them etc...

    Henry Carter and O&J don't employ any staff (or, at least, nowhere near the amount that they would if they had the same stock in a retail premises), they don't lease any premises (that I know of). They do not fill the void created by the loss of other retail jobs.

    Whatever you think of the management of HN (and I agree that it has been poor), I find it hard to believe that people would want them, or the retail sector in general, to fail. The retail sector fulfills an important function particularly in Victoria and NSW - it employs a lot of young people, and unskilled adults.

    And since I am on a rant (I know this is getting way off topic)... this (costing unskilled jobs) is a large part of the reason that I hate the self-checkout machines that are at Coles/Woolies these days:

    1) they are slower than getting a trained checkout person to scan your stuff. People sit there struggling with the machines for ages since they don't know how to use them or bag stuff up efficiently. And we are gradually approaching the time where people are getting so used to having these slow machines that they don't remember the days before them when things were quicker.

    2) they cost jobs for young people and adults who really need them. To their credit, the Woolworths near me employs a lot of teenagers and young adults from the nearby housing estate, as well as a few people with disabilities. But those 8 self checkout machines are 4 people who don't get a shift that day.

    3) because of the above they have no advantages for customers or employees, they exist simply to increase the profits of the Coles/Woolies monopoly. Even at the busiest times, only half of the actual checkouts at Woolies are manned now - the rest sit empty since they know they can funnel people into the self checkout service.
     
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  4. The Ernesto

    The Ernesto Well-Known Member

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  5. elisiX

    elisiX Well-Known Member

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    +1. Well said Lachyzee.

    In other news - just received a new Uniqlo blazer and 3 brooks brothers/herringbone shirts from our friend T (thebrownman).

    Thanks mate. Pleasure dealing with you.
     
  6. Prof. B. Bear

    Prof. B. Bear Well-Known Member

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    Wait, this is off-topic, but did Ethandesu use to own Herringbone? Or design for them?
     
  7. Pink Socks

    Pink Socks Well-Known Member

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    Agreed. I remember avoid ticket machine back in Edinburgh at Waverley Station about 8 years ago for the same reason.
     
  8. Petepan

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    Well, Premier Investments are doing just fine. Retail spending is actually holding up well, but the spending dollar to HN is getting less. Clearly a management problem.
     
  9. Journeyman

    Journeyman Well-Known Member

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    Lachy,

    I'm not against unskilled labour, nor against relatively menial jobs. As you say, such jobs are important for both young people who want some employment whilst at school or university and want to get experience in a workplace, and for people who will, for whatever reason, never manage to get a skilled job.

    However - and perhaps I'm wrong on this point - I tend to think that if HN or other such businesses fail, then others will take their place - an example of what economists like to call "creative destruction". Creating a retail business is not necessarily easy, but it usually doesn't require as much investment or as much know-how as, for example, starting a high-tech manufacturing concern. Thus, it is easier to start such a business, easier to source staff, easier to acquire an inventory and accommodation. In general, the retail sector has pretty low barriers to entry.

    Regrettably, unskilled workers are the first to suffer during any economic changes and technology has been the prime driver of such changes over the past century, first with construction/civil engineering/mining, then with admin work, and now with retail.

    I absolutely agree with your point about self-service checkouts - they are certainly not there to benefit customers and are simply for the benefit of the store, very much like petrol stations nowadays. I remember when, as a child, we would pull into a petrol station and sit in the car whilst one or even two people came out and put petrol in the car, checked the tyres and cleaned the windscreen. Now, of course, you get to do it all yourself!
     
  10. Geoffrey Firmin

    Geoffrey Firmin Well-Known Member

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    PM me for a good price on Ritalin :lol::bounce2:
     
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  11. thebrownman

    thebrownman Well-Known Member

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    Prof. B Bear - Ethan Desu worked for Herringbone.

    Herringbone was started in 1997 by John Mutton and Matt Jensen. In 2008, the company fell into voluntary administration. It was bought by Van Laack in late 2008.

    Early on, shirts were manufactured in Australia. This was a brief period, before shirts started being produced in Pakistan. The shirts of this era were fantastic. I still wear them regularly and they're only beginning to show slight signs of wear. Once Van Laack took over, production of shirting shifted to Vietnam (where their factories are located). Also, Van Laack began sourcing the material for Herringbone shirts. They opt for lighter weight fabrics - the fabrics aren't inferior per se, they're just lighter weight all year round.

    Following the takeover, John Mutton stayed on as Managing Director for Australia, reporting to Van Laack in Germany. Matt Jensen started Jensen ('Yensen') for a brief period, before launching MJ Bale.

    As for Ethan, he was employed as Head Tailor and managed the business' MTM shirting until 2008 when it stopped existing, and for a while managed a store in Sydney. He did not design for Herringbone specifically, until 2008, Herringbone had a few people in a design team, though Ethan gave his input I'm sure. His knowledge of tailoring, as we all know, is exemplary, and he also has a background in Japanese denim.
     
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  12. Prince of Paisley

    Prince of Paisley Well-Known Member

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    All good points. But is thinly-veiled protectionism via lowering the LVT the answer? No one likes to see businesses go bust, least of all me, but propping up the ones that are going to fail due to out of date business models or poor management only hurts you in the long run.

    You make some very good points about those Coles machines. I think they are one of the more visible symptoms of a broader trend that threatens low skilled jobs in this country. What is happening in retail now is very reminiscent of what happened with manufacturing from the '70s on, as decently paying low skilled jobs all moved offshore to low wage countries. But you can't fight these economic trends through subsidies and win. The better course is to actively upskill the workforce so they can become check out machine maintenance technicians, rather than check out workers. Easier said than done of course, but it's the only sustainable way to approach the problem IMO.

    And let's not forget, as others have mentioned, it's not all doom and gloom in retail. Online retailers may not employ a lot of people (although when they get big enough they do) but they generate indirect jobs and economic activity in other sectors of the economy/their supply chains. But more importantly, there is still and always will be a place for bricks and mortar retail operations; perhaps I should have said for every Harvey Norman there is a Zara - they certainly do employ locals and occupy swathes of commercial real estate.
     
  13. Prince of Paisley

    Prince of Paisley Well-Known Member

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    These are an interesting phenomenon. On paper, I'm sure they seem to enhance productivity (certainly labour productivity, and in the long run, probably MFP). Yet it takes the customer longer to check themselves out than if the more "inefficient" check out girl does it for you.

    Lies, damn lies, and statistics.
     
  14. Journeyman

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    Anyway, to veer back into the realm of clothing for a while and to temporarily leave Gerry Harvey behind, here are a few photos of what I was wearing earlier in the week:

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    Details - Deer Style cotton suit for spring/summer with waist patch pockets; Deer Style shirt; brown, grenadine tie (from the Tie Rack, as they have some surprisingly nice ties on occasion); Herringbone pocket square; Uniqlo socks and Crockett and Jones shoes.

    Please note the use of the official, SF "robopose" in the final photograph. Sorry about the crumpled trousers - they need a press but cotton does tend to wrinkle up and to retain wrinkles more than wool.
     
  15. Petepan

    Petepan Well-Known Member

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    The Vespa completes the whole look. Nice.
     
  16. Petepan

    Petepan Well-Known Member

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    Visited the TM Lewin store on King Street recently with the missus, with intention of getting a navy suit. Maybe I am too used to Italian cut and styling, because I cannot get myself to like the styles they have. Wife said style and cut were okay, not ugly, just different. She did comment that for what they are, the prices are not quite value for money. I agree.
     
  17. lachyzee

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    yes back on the subject of expensive clothing...

    My bespoke (mtm?) CJ gloves arrived today. Just in time for the.... oh wait.

    As you can hopefully see from the photos, they fit perfectly. Nice and tight and have the 'second skin' feel that I was after.

    I might try and wrap a review of them into my rundown of my Luxire shirt, which should also arrive today. And take some more photos not in horrid office lighting...

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  18. thebrownman

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    NICE!

    Thats what I'm after, really nice fitting gloves. I've got a lovely pair mustard leather pair I picked up in the US, but they're just not tight enough..
     
  19. California Dreamer

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    Has anyone checked out the Siricco sale lately? I looked into the Bourke St store today at lunchtime, and they have 50% off a range of Itlaian shoes. A fair amount of Prada and Tod's, with the odd Moreschi and Gucci there. I saw a pair of suede Gucci bit loafers for $260.
     
  20. Henry Carter

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    Thanks guys, I'm currently in cooma en route. The snowies is my favourite place in the world so it should be a cracker of a weekend.
     
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