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Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by earthdragon, Nov 18, 2008.

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  1. TheWraith

    TheWraith Well-Known Member

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    Fascinating. PJohnson says their suits are made in the Netherlands. Is that where Kent Wang suits are made? They do look identical in the linked photos.
     
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    As blah pointed out a few posts above, there are 2 others with the same photos too, so my guess is that they are a set of stock photos from somewhere that they have all used.
     
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    At the end of the day, the finished product should speak for itself no matter where it's made.
     
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    They might use the same makers in the Netherlands (or not, the pictures could come from anywhere), but the process is decidedly inferior. If your custom suit doesn't fit you need to 'get it altered at your expense and record the changes so we can get it perfect next time?' Seriously?

    Edit. As blah noted above, photos used by many so most likely just stock. Should have read further down the thread before replying :)
     
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    The cut is just much too different to be from the same makers.
     
  7. Gerry Nelson

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    To be fair, that's why KW suggests getting the trial suit first, decide what alterations you need and return it to get a new custom suit.

    "Unlike other custom tailors, we prefer to first send you one of our ready-to-wear suits for you to try on, and then you can note measurement modifications based on that (e.g. +1" waist, -0.5" sleeve, etc.). This allows us to have a very good chance of making your first suit fit perfectly. Whereas the more common method of simply submitting a set of measurements typically results in ill-fitting, unwearable suits for the first one or two iterations, and is a waste of your time and money."

    All this, of course, takes longer and depends on you getting the alterations correct rather than having someone measure up and adjust accordingly. You still pay shipping to get the trial suit (and swatches) and return it.

    However, if you know your measurements, then the KW route may be a good way to go.
     
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    The workshop which makes the PJ Product definitely make for other MTM-Operations. But the KW stuff is made in China, so definitely not the same workshop.

    Here is an example - http://jeharveykelly.com/
     
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    Just quietly too, what cracking day today! Been for a spin this morning (got swooped twice) with the boys and been mowing the lawns since then. Good to get some sunshine on the skin.
     
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    So, they use different factories but use the same stock photos? Isn't that a little...odd?
     
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    It happens a lot in online retail. Website designers get lazy, and so do their clients.
     
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    I don't know for sure, only what I'm told. KW claims his suits are made in China. PJ claims his suits are made in The Netherlands. So logic would suggest they are different factories.

    If you want to speculate that there is some dishonesty about the country of origin of either company, go ahead. You are well-known for your negative attitude towards P Johnson, so we expect such behaviour from you.
     
  13. Prof. B. Bear

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    I really like the following fabric from KW. However I'm not too sure I want to pay an extra $120 for shipping costs just to get it (getting the trial suit, returning it when it doesn't fit just to get measurements and then finally paying for shipping when the MTM is ready)

    [​IMG]
     
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    I agree. That's the issue with KW - it's the double shipping + return that pushes what was an $800 suit into the $1000+ territory, which is getting exceedingly close to PJ's, so you might as well go with the latter in the first place.
     
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    I said it's odd to be using the same photos (particularly if they're different factories, if that is indeed the case), nothing more. Any bad attitude displayed here is coming from yourself, not me.
     
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    I didn't know this. A shame. Thanks for enlightening me.
     
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    Hypothetically even if KW and PJ shared the same manufacturer, their finished product will still be worlds apart because of the patterns used.

    As far as I know, PJ own their own patterns which they designed and are consistently researching ways to improve (for instance, I know they are working on adding a function to adjust for shoulder pitch). Given that PJ himself is trained as a tailor in London, I would imagine that regardless of the manufacturer, his patterns are based on his interpenetration or spin on the classic suit. If they chose to change manufacturer, apart from initial teething issues, I am sure they could get a consistent end product elsewhere because PJ owns the patterns and can take it with them. As far as I know, KW is not trained as a tailor and even if he did use the same manufacturer as PJ, I would question where he is getting his patter from; it could be something original or an off-the-shelf pattern provided by the manufacturer - who really knows (its all just innuendo and speculation at this stage).
     
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    Not in the least, it's extremely common when illustrating something generic like aspects of suit construction.
     
  20. TheWraith

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    Fair enough. Again, thanks for enlightening me.
     
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