Australian Members

[Spandexter]



Virtue comes from the country - British gentry, the American West, the Australian Outback etc. The very concept of 'noble' comes from the Roman Equate/Equestrian 'owner of a horse'. 


I couldn't care what some (not you) Newtown hipster, Prius driving, fairy boy pleb thinks of them, those people never make hiring positions. 

Hmmm. I know nothing about Newtown, I don't drive a Prius and I'm not a fairy boy pleb but I do have 2 teams (20 people) and a bunch of specialised consultants reporting to me. I also have an opinion on wearing RMW boots with a suit but that wouldn't stop me hiring you. Your attitude would though.

 

[Geoffrey Firmin]



Anyway, aside from the historical inaccuracies your version of what constitutes virtue is based on a set of myths. Saying all country people are virtuous is akin to saying all country people are inbred.

I take it you have never been to Orbost in Victoria.

 

[LonerMatt]

If someone is going to not hire me based purely on my footwear I'm almost 100% sure I'd hate working for and with that particular individual.

Clothing makes a difference, but it sure isn't the most important factor, IMO and IME.

 

[md2010]



Nothing worse than seeing the back of a pair of suit trousers caught on a RMW tag...

^^ This.
Honestly there are tons of better boots out there.
And Holden commodore , RMW and Vegemite a combination of all 3 ....sounds all too redneck-ish.

 

[Romp]

Roger Moore...

From THE MAN



to .. well.. yeah ok he still got it .. but those gold glasses are too much cheese for me lol

 

[meister]



RMW Boots seem kind of average to me. Seriously. The uppers are average. The finishing is very rustic. English Makers construct a better boot. There I said it. But if your budget stretches to RMW only, then by all means, they are good Boots.

Basically RMWs are all foreign bits assembled in Australia according to my cobbler and nothing like the good old days.

 

[Dusty Brogues]



Vale Tony Greig.
Champion of the straw hat.

RIP Greigy

A gentleman of the game, commentary and the unforgettable pitch report

 

[Oli2012]

Suggest you brush up on your history. The equites were actually rich non-nobles who bought horses to distinguish themselves from the plebs on the battlefield. Basically, your typical ancient nouveau riches trying to buy their way into nobility (or occasionally marry into it, as they did with Caesar's family IIRC). Don't start me with virtue and the American west... You sound like a Levis commercial. Wounded Knee ring a bell for you? Probably not...
Anyway, aside from the historical inaccuracies your version of what constitutes virtue is based on a set of myths. Saying all country people are virtuous is akin to saying all country people are inbred. I'm sure in some cases one or the other is true.

The Equates became the prominent movers and shakers after the first civil war (they backed the Marians).

Even if that was not the case, the founding families of Rome were descendant from the farmers (Fabius, Lenulus and Piso - beans, lentils and peas). Cicero begins most of his famous speeches pointing out his client's virtuous rural origins (Sextus Roscius).

A rural background is pretty much synonymous with nobility/respectability throughout the western canon:
- Greek Agathoi are landholding (Odysseus, Agamemnon, Achilles, Priam etc) as opposed to the kakoi (synonymous with '****') who live in the city.
- The entire Pastoral movement
- The Irish Nationalist movement
- The French Marianne
- The works of Dickens

My point is articles of clothing carry certain connotations - whether it be a repp tie, adam smith or a pair of RMW. It is worth being aware of them, whether they're politically correct or not.

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Originally Posted by Spandexter


Hmmm. I know nothing about Newtown, I don't drive a Prius and I'm not a fairy boy pleb but I do have 2 teams (20 people) and a bunch of specialised consultants reporting to me. I also have an opinion on wearing RMW boots with a suit but that wouldn't stop me hiring you. Your attitude would though.

If you miss a page of people bitching about 'country people in a suit' but get upset when someone offends your soccer playing sensibilities you're not worth working for anyway.

 

[aKula]

Is a stetson or akubra be more appropriate for the collins st cowboy look? Stetson has a more over-the-top texan cowboy look and conveys the necessary exuberance, while akubra is Australian, also an important consideration in conveying authenticity.

 

[Oli2012]

Is a stetson or akubra be more appropriate for the collins st cowboy look? Stetson has a more over-the-top texan cowboy look and conveys the necessary exuberance, while akubra is Australian, also an important consideration in conveying authenticity.

Comparing a chelsea to an akubra in the middle of the city? Top of the McDonalds fry station roster for you!

 

[jmills]

Finally caught up on this thread, and now there's all this drama - why the abuse?

I'm having some regrets about the sizing on my pair of Carmina Simpsons. I went TTS, and it's *almost* good, but I think my toes pushing up against the side of the shoe all the time might not work out in the long run. I've already worn them a bit, too late for returns... I might have to try this B&S thing and put the money towards something a bit wider across the toes.

 

[Spandexter]



If you miss a page of people bitching about 'country people in a suit' but get upset when someone offends your soccer playing sensibilities you're not worth working for anyway. 

Haha, yeah ok kiddo.

Back on a more appropriate topic, I have a pair of blue tweed pants but recently read an older thread where it was suggested blue pants and a blazer (of some kind) was a no no. Does anyone wear odd blue pants and if so with what?

 

[iSurg]

I would agree that RMW's with suit is a common look these days - and that's a key word, common. I have seen many a consultant surgeon wear that look. Personally, I did wear RMW's for about 2 years, then decided they weren't all that comfortable or sleek and swapped out for shoes that had more comfort and variety.

In my experiences, I have found that some consultants might notice your RMW's in the change rooms, maybe once in 3 months. In no way did it affect their overall impression or formalised feedback (important for rehiring). Your reputation as a good employee basically comes from other factors - performance on the ward, humility, working knowledge, what your peers thought, and maybe humour and conversation ability while working in the theatre. Never was footwear a sole consideration - unless you wore sneakers to a meeting, basically looking like a slob in a publc forum. I can understand the appeal to look uniform to your peers and bosses - you don't want to appear to stray from the mob too much. However, I have had my bosses notice quarter brogues and double monks, with the comment that I dress well overall and have a unique appearance. That certainly has worked in my favour.

RMW's are hardwearing, I'll say. They are Australian, and that was the appeal that drew me to them initially. But they are not the final word in professional footwear, and I have to say that I've moved on from what was once a great love affair.

The Equates became the prominent movers and shakers after the first civil war (they backed the Marians).

Even if that was not the case, the founding families of Rome were descendant from the farmers (Fabius, Lenulus and Piso - beans, lentils and peas). Cicero begins most of his famous speeches pointing out his client's virtuous rural origins (Sextus Roscius).

A rural background is pretty much synonymous with nobility/respectability throughout the western canon:
- Greek Agathoi are landholding (Odysseus, Agamemnon, Achilles, Priam etc) as opposed to the kakoi (synonymous with '****') who live in the city.
- The entire Pastoral movement
- The Irish Nationalist movement
- The French Marianne
- The works of Dickens

My point is articles of clothing carry certain connotations - whether it be a repp tie, adam smith or a pair of RMW. It is worth being aware of them, whether they're politically correct or not.

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If you miss a page of people bitching about 'country people in a suit' but get upset when someone offends your soccer playing sensibilities you're not worth working for anyway.

In addressing the comments above, I'd have to say that some comments were totally uncalled for and clearly displaying bigotry. In particular, Spandexter was merely trying to assert from personal experience that footwear does not impact hiring potential. I totally agree with him - a poor attitude is what makes a person unemployable and untrainable.

 

[Prince of Paisley]



The Equates became the prominent movers and shakers after the first civil war (they backed the Marians). 

Even if that was not the case, the founding families of Rome were descendant from the farmers (Fabius, Lenulus and Piso - beans, lentils and peas). Cicero begins most of his famous speeches pointing out his client's virtuous rural origins (Sextus Roscius). 

A rural background is pretty much synonymous with nobility/respectability throughout the western canon:
- Greek Agathoi are landholding (Odysseus, Agamemnon, Achilles, Priam etc) as opposed to the kakoi (synonymous with '****') who live in the city. 

- The entire Pastoral movement 
- The Irish Nationalist movement
- The French Marianne

- The works of Dickens 

My point is articles of clothing carry certain connotations - whether it be a repp tie, adam smith or a pair of RMW. It is worth being aware of them, whether they're politically correct or not. 

Marius was a novus ****, don't know if he drove a Prius though...

Seeing as you think the way you do and that clothes signify your status, I can only suggest you ditch the RMs and don a toga.

 

[Journeyman]



Haha, yeah ok kiddo.
Back on a more appropriate topic, I have a pair of blue tweed pants but recently read an older thread where it was suggested blue pants and a blazer (of some kind) was a no no. Does anyone wear odd blue pants and if so with what?

I wear blue trousers quite a bit - cotton or light wool in summer and corduroy in winter.

In summer - wear with tan, sand, light brown, grey or light blue jackets in linen, cotton or light wool.

In winter - wear with chocolate brown or grey herringbone weave jackets, or check jackets in tan or brown with a blue check.

That's my preference, anyway.

Here are a few (rather bad) photos of mine which might give you a little bit of an idea of some possible combinations.

http://www.styleforum.net/g/i/537457/a/326534/australian-members/sort/display_order/

http://www.styleforum.net/g/i/489988/a/326534/australian-members/sort/display_order/

http://www.styleforum.net/g/i/517435/a/326534/australian-members/sort/display_order/