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Ask A Question, Get An Answer... - Post All Quick Questions Here (Classic menswear)

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Master-Classter, Sep 28, 2008.

  1. Churchill W

    Churchill W Well-Known Member

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    IMO, not sure I would say halfway. I would say they were closer to chinos than trousers.
     
  2. E TF

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    Really? The story I've heard is that the word khaki translates as " "sand" and was adopted by the British army in India to describe sandy coloured trousers.
     
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  3. FlyingMonkey

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    Both are correct. The term comes from the Hindi / Urdu word for soil- or dust-coloured. This was used to describe the colour of the uniform introduced by British soldiers in India. Then, in use in English it moved to encompass both the type of military-derived trousers and range of colours from sand to muddy green. In the post-WW2 period in the USA in particular, it came to refer to all trousers of this style (otherwise known as chinos).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khaki
     
  4. J011yroger

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    Pink would look best with the suit, but be the hardest to pair with a tie. If you have the eye to make sure it is a good match a solid navy tie looks great. With the white or blue shirt a gold tie I always think looks great, burgundy is a safe bet. Most rep stripes will go (I always feel like it is their mission in life to go with a navy blazer), a nice forest or hunter green will probably match too. Put it on your bed, put the shirt under it, and start laying ties on top of it. More will match than won't, some will match better than others. Your only real concern is making sure the tie pattern isn't too close in scale to the one on the suit or shirt. J
     
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  5. Ich_Dien

    Ich_Dien Well-Known Member

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    Don't overdo the pink.
     
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  6. MMoon24

    MMoon24 Well-Known Member

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    I have come across a strange situation that I need help on.

    I was planning to buy my first "nice" suit from Brooks Brothers on their post-christmas sale. However, I have a friend who works at the Burberry store in the mall who told me he could get 50% off on suits. Strictly price wise, the BB 1818 suits would equate to Burberry's Modern Fit Wool or Virgin Wool Blend suits after discounts.

    http://us.burberry.com/modern-fit-virgin-wool-blend-suit-p37998291
    http://us.burberry.com/modern-fit-wool-suit-p37998151

    I plan to have two suits in my closet sooner or later. One for interviews/client meetings. The other for formal events. So I would be eyeing a Navy and Light Gray or Charcoal suit.

    Thoughts?
     
  7. othertravel

    othertravel Well-Known Member

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    Get whichever one fits you the best. They're comparable in quality, except for the fact that BB might use better fabrics.
     
  8. ridethecliche

    ridethecliche Well-Known Member

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    I think you could wear either of those for meetings/interviews and formal events, no? Charcoal/navy are both good for either scenario. You can alter the rest of the what you're wearing (tie, PS, shoes, etc) to dress them up or down.
     
  9. aravenel

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    That's called a Nehru collar, and please never wear it unless you are dressing up as a Bond villain for Halloween.
     
  10. Shirtmaven

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    I dont have a problem with the nehru collar.

    are there matching pants?

    I would wear this casually over jeans with a regular button shirt.
    do not wear the shirt collar over the nehru collar.

    as a suit, it is sort of formal
    do not wear with a bow tie! or even a straight tie
    maybe a white shirt with just the top button un buttoned

    back in the 70's they were worn with Turtlenecks.
    would not repeat that look today.
     
  11. 12345Michael54321

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    That's a little harsh, don't you think?

    If one were to be sent back to the year 1969 - perhaps due to an accident with a time machine, or a confrontation with an evil wizard - I think a Nehru jacket could be acceptable.

    Although even then, I don't think it would be a good choice for inclusion in a regular work rotation, unless one were employed at a somewhat alternative workplace.

    If memory serves, Darwin once wore a Nehru jacket to work - he was a senior associate at a prominent Madison Ave. advertising agency - but it was only because he was under a spell cast by Endura, or maybe it was Serena, and in any case both Larry Tate and the firm's client regarded his choice of attire as being entirely unprofessional and inappropriate. So clearly we'd have to be talking about a work environment less conservative than an ad agency. Which pretty much means the entertainment industry, in Southern California.

    So, if ridethecliche gets sent back in time to Hollywood, circa 1969, he might be able to successfully incorporate that Nehru collar into his work rotation.

    Otherwise, unless he's working in India, I'd say no.

    So, ridethecliche, which of the two is it? Do you know a mad scientist working on a time machine, or have you pissed off an evil wizard? Oh, and do give James Bond and Honey Rider my regards.
     
  12. ridethecliche

    ridethecliche Well-Known Member

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    I know it's called a nehru collar. It's also known as a chinese collar in some circles. I should have known people on SF would know it by that name!

    I'm Indian and I'm planning on wearing this when I feel like it. So maybe I'll grab an accompanying nehru hat and go to town!


    Yeah, it's a suit. I bought it and was fit for it when I was in the motherland a few years ago. Maybe I'll wear it with a BDC so I can make sure that the collar doesn't ride up.

    I am planning on dressing the jacket up with jeans. I could probably wear that to work on a friday, but I need nicer jeans. I don't like turtlenecks so I probably won't be doing that look anytime soon!

    There's a holiday party for my department that's black tie optional. I want to wear this out to it, but I was hoping to wear a tie with it as well. I might try it on and play with it to see what it looks like. I have a feeling it won't work, but there's always the off chance...

    I also have a few kurta's that I could wear with it (they're all round necks), but they're a little bright and most of them are pretty long and wouldn't quite go. I do have a raw silk one, but I left that at home. I never wore it since it can be pretty itchy. Though it's freaking gorgeous.

    Maybe I'll go to the party as a bond villain that pissed off an evil wizard?
     
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  13. dibek

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    Just bought my first suit, a black (or maybe charcoal) flannel chalk stripe. This is the slimmest cut suit I could find, but still not slim enough. I have a ~42 inch chest, fairly round shoulders (they tend to stick out of the sleeves when the jacket is small) and a 28 inch waist.

    So, my question is: can the suit jacket be tailored so it fits my waist? I know it is possible, I only ask because of the large drop (I dont want to ruin the jacket - better safe than sorry, right?). Oh yes, it is a double vented jacket, if that is of any importance. Fits my shoulders and chest well (as far as I can tell).
     
  14. Shirtmaven

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    Is the suit navy?

    if you do need to wear a tie.
    I would get a short straighter [point collar. Not a spread collar.
    and a slim tie.

    I would not wear with a kurta with that suit in the USA.

    I think it would come off quite well in the right environment.
     
  15. ridethecliche

    ridethecliche Well-Known Member

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    Go find a good tailor/seamstress and they'll bring in the waist and make it look like it was made for ya. Ask them to give it an eye and see if it needs to come in on the chest/shoulders as well. Or wear it and post some pictures here so people with knowledge about these things (*not it) can let you know how it looks.
     
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    ridethecliche Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, I wouldn't wear it with a kurta either, unless I had the right one. I don't. Not even close. I'll try it with a slim tie and bowtie if I get a chance just to see how it looks. If it looks ridiculous, then so be it. I'd rather get laughed at on here than at the shindig :p

    It's a black suit. I'm going to throw in a black/red pocket square.
     
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    Profound advice.
     
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    Can short men wear gingham shirts? (It's being said that they should avoid horizontal stripes.)
     
  19. MMoon24

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    Quote:I guess putting a brand name on your clothes allows you to bump up the price 400-1000 dollars xP.
     
  20. 12345Michael54321

    12345Michael54321 Well-Known Member

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    Okay, first thing you ought to do is determine whether you purchased a black suit, or a charcoal suit.

    I'm not going to go off on a rant about the evils of black suits. But for Dog's sake, at least know what color suit you own. Not that it has anything to do with your alterations question.

    Maybe.

    Usually, taking it in a little at the waist is a fairly routine type of alteration, and it normally turns out just fine. It's seldom even all that expensive to have done.

    But going from a 42 inch chest to a 28 inch waist is a 14 inch drop. And that's a pretty big drop. Quite possibly too great a difference to successfully alter the suit to your satisfaction.

    Find a really good alterations tailor in your neck of the woods, and ask. (If the tailor is actually good, I suspect he'll want to see you in the suit before committing himself. Beware tailors who tell you "No problem," without even seeing you in the suit, first.)

    Well, okay. Many things are possible. But some things are possible only at great expense. And some things are possible, but the results are unlikely to prove entirely satisfactory.

    A wise man knows when to cut his losses. When to sell a suit which just can't be made to look great on him, at any reasonable expense. Perhaps that's the situation in which you will find yourself. If so, maybe the smart move will be to take whatever money the suit brings, and put it toward a made-to-measure suit.

    Or not. It's impossible to say, given that I've not seen you in the suit, nor am I an alterations tailor.

    Well, at least you've got that going for you. A suit where the shoulders and chest fit well can more often than not be made to work.

    In any case, don't get too upset even if the suit can't be altered to the desired fit. Lots of men (including many here on SF, I dare say) would love to have a "problem" like this one. "Help, my torso is a pronounced inverted wedge shape! I need help dealing with my broad chest and shoulders, and narrow waist." And those of us into middle age are even less likely to sympathize with such a dilemma. :)
     

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