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Ask A Question, Get An Answer... - Post All Quick Questions Here (Classic menswear)

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Master-Classter, Sep 28, 2008.

  1. AndrewN

    AndrewN Active Member

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    Hello everybody. I'm looking to buy a grenadine tie online, and I ran across a peculiar tie in an old selling thread. I was wondering if it's grenadine. It looks like it is, but I'm not quite sure. Any second thoughts would be much appreciated. Thank you.

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  2. Claghorn

    Claghorn Well-Known Member

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    Pretty sure that isn't grenadine. Grenadine fabric is a loose weave produced on special looms from two mills in Italy. These are grenadines (from Sam Hober)

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  3. AmericanGent

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  4. wojt

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    Is fact alone that shoes are sewn make them better than glued ones? I've seen kinda inexpensive leather/leather sole, with a inprint inside "hand sewn in Italy".
    Shoe is for 125$ was for 200$ before. So is it already a sign of better quality compared with glued shoes or it means nothing?
     
  5. Flame

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    In almost all cases sewing > gluing.
     
  6. wojt

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    that's what my gut tells me as well, thanks:)
     
  7. Inker19

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    1. What color jackets would match with a pair of navy blue odd trousers?


    2. Is there a method for removing sewn-in collar stays? I recently picked up a dress shirt thrifting that fits me perfectly, but the collar stays are sewn-in. Normally, I would live with that, but I just invested in some brass collar stays, so I'd like to remove them if possible.
     
  8. mimo

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    I'd go light grey. And leave the stays; get some more shirts you can use them in, I'm sure you'll need more than one!
     
  9. AndrewN

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    Is this tie grenadine? It looks like garza fina or garza piccola. Any second opinions would be appreciated. Thank you


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  10. AmericanGent

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    And gluing means no re-crafting, so your $125 shoe will not last. A few more buck$ and you can get into a Goodyear welt that can be re-soled and re-heeled many, many times and last a lifetime. So with that in mind, buy a classic that is not likely to go in and out of fashion.
     
  11. AmericanGent

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    1. For summer I use a blue/white gingham SC with blue trou.

    2. +1 on Mimo's comment. Leave them and then buy some better shirts that you can accept your brass stays. Most shirts with built-in stays are not anything special, but if you have a woodner for this shirt you could use cuticle scissors and cut a neat line on on the top of the stay and pull it out, but be aware- if you do this the collar will eventually fall apart in the washer.
     
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  13. AndrewN

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    Thanks for your reply. I'm still on the fence about this tie though. It's texture reminds me David Hober's grenadine garza fina, which Claghorn posed pictures of on the previous page
     
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  14. gringodaddy

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    Mine is a Hober garza grossa. I find the larger weave grenadines more appealing personally.
     
  15. Claghorn

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    It is similar, but I don't think it's grenadine. I've not ever seen a grenadine which isn't one of those four weaves. So if it is similar to one of those four, then it isn't grenadine. If it is the same, it is.
     
  16. gringodaddy

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    Like this?

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  18. Champagnedreams

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    Don't mean to take away from the previous question.
    Im wondering what type of material and what to ask the tailor to get the look of this suit.
    Notice the wider lapels, that cannot be done by a tailor I think. But the suit seems to be a bit more roomier, does it not?
    And the suit also seems to have an easier, relaxed drape I would like- what material?


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  19. 12345Michael54321

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    I don't think it's a grenadine, either. But so what? If you like how it looks, then you like how it looks. If I came up with some made-up name, like "tendester," and told you, "That's not a grenadine; it's a tendester weave," would you suddenly decide you no longer like how it looks?

    Don't be like the fellow I overheard, some years back. He was drinking a glass of red wine, and commented on how much he liked it. He asked what it was, so that he could buy a few bottles.

    He was told it was... I don't remember, let's say an Australian Shiraz.

    At which point he announced, completely seriously, that he'd changed his mind. He wouldn't be buying any, because he didn't like the taste of Australian shiraz.

    LOTS of parallels between that fellow and oh-so-many people who want to buy mid- to upper-end clothing, and who base their purchasing decisions more on "Based on its description and manufacturer, am I supposed to like this item?" than on "Do I like this item?"

    Cultivate a personal style and the ability to recognize quality. Then trust your taste and your judgement and buy what appeals to you. Whether it's labeled a grenadine, a faux grenadine, a tendester, or an Australian shiraz.
     
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