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Are Charvet dress shirts worth the price? The best?

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by mrbrioni, Jun 23, 2011.

  1. mktitsworth

    mktitsworth Well-Known Member

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    I get Hamilton through my local tailor, not online. While they do have MTM fabrics that start the shirt at around $250, the price goes north pretty fast. If anybody is getting their full bespoke for $250 I'd like to know where, I've never seen an offer close to that price.

    I'm please with my Hamilton thus far- but I don't have enough stock to compare. TCHouston is pleased with them as well; he has the advantage of working directly with them in Texas.


    When I called them in Houston about their bespoke prices, the person at Hamilton I spoke to said that the prices for their bespoke shirts were the same as the prices for their MTM shirts listed online. The difference was that there is a minimum order of 4 shirts for your first bespoke order to cover the cost of making your pattern. Here in Dallas, I spoke with Stanley Korshak who are part of Hamilton's bespoke program here, and to order through them has a minimum order of two shirts with the same prices as directly from Hamilton. Pockets (also here in Dallas) have a minimum order of 3, but they charge $50 more per fabric.
     
  2. KObalto

    KObalto Well-Known Member

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    Charvet shits are my personal favorite probably.
    Still my favorite frequent SF typo. [​IMG]
     
  3. Cary Grant

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    When I called them in Houston about their bespoke prices, the person at Hamilton I spoke to said that the prices for their bespoke shirts were the same as the prices for their MTM shirts listed online. The difference was that there is a minimum order of 4 shirts for your first bespoke order to cover the cost of making your pattern. Here in Dallas, I spoke with Stanley Korshak who are part of Hamilton's bespoke program here, and to order through them has a minimum order of two shirts with the same prices as directly from Hamilton. Pockets (also here in Dallas) have a minimum order of 3, but they charge $50 more per fabric.

    Good to know- thanks
     
  4. mrbrioni

    mrbrioni Well-Known Member

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    At the pricepoint you quoted for Charvet off the rack shirts, you could've had Geneva Custom Shirts make you bespoke shirts out of top of the line fabric and still had money left over.

    Goph


    Does the quality compare to Charvet?

    I've had bespoke shirts made by Ercole in Brooklyn, and they are amazing, however they don't compare to Charvet in my opinion.
     
  5. Mac

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    In the RTW world, Kiton does an infinitely better handsewn shirt than Borrelli. But I'm not very familiar with RTW shirts. All I know is that the handsewing on my bespoke shirts blow away anything I've seen on a shelf.

    I didn't say Charvet shirts are machine made--I said they are machine-sewn. Regardless of how they are stitched together, they are still closely handled by human beings. You aren't getting a factory-made shirt or anything.

    How can the fit of a RTW shirt make it a 'better' shirt? It might be better for you just because it happens to work on your body, but obviously such may not be the case for others.


    How does Barba Napoli compare to other Italian-made shirts?
     
  6. tweedtie

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    If you want a very good bespoke shirt, probably one of the world's best shirtmakers, go for anna matuozzo!
     
  7. Wongtouski

    Wongtouski Well-Known Member

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    I'm totally off topic here but I am currently making my first pricey shirts through Ascot Chang, and they're very helpful because I've gone for fittings two times now and about to be a third. Main reason being.......I want to make a wide spread collar shirt and I'm constantly asking them to improve it. But I digress.

    I'm actually going to Paris in less than a month for 4 days, is Charvet worth a visit?
     
  8. Kuro

    Kuro Well-Known Member

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    I'm actually going to Paris in less than a month for 4 days, is Charvet worth a visit?

    certainly, but please remember to push the door.[​IMG]
     
  9. TC (Houston)

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    I get Hamilton through my local tailor, not online. While they do have MTM fabrics that start the shirt at around $250, the price goes north pretty fast. If anybody is getting their full bespoke for $250 I'd like to know where, I've never seen an offer close to that price.

    I'm please with my Hamilton thus far- but I don't have enough stock to compare. TCHouston is pleased with them as well; he has the advantage of working directly with them in Texas.


    If you hit the summer sales with Hamilton, you should be able to get pretty close to $250/shirt.

    I've got about 8 shirts at this point on the full bespoke program, and given the quality to price ratio (and the convenience of having them local), I don't envision ever sourcing shirts from anywhere else. The real cost for me has been the premium laundering and hand-finishing, since I want them to stay as fresh and perfect as the day they I took them home. As has been discussed before, run of the mill cleaners around here who use machines to press really struggle with the lined but unfused collars (in fact they ruined the test shirt on the first go).

    Also, I made a bunch of adjustments to my pattern, but I'd imagine that for a lot of people who use Hamilton, there is virtually no difference between the MTM and bespoke, which isn't to say they aren't getting fantastically made, well-fitting shirts. But they seemed to think it was a bit odd that I actually wanted the woman who cut my pattern present at the fittings. When I (very politely) asked for the tailor to come out so I could discuss with her a couple of possible adjustments, the owner told me "uhh, I've been doing this for 20+ years, I'm certainly qualified to fit your shirt." LOL I told her, no offense, but I just want the feedback from the person who is actually making the pattern and cutting the shirts. In the end they were very accomodating, but I was a little put off by the gruff response to a request that seemed pretty fundamental in my eyes.
     
  10. Shirtmaven

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    If you hit the summer sales with Hamilton, you should be able to get pretty close to $250/shirt.

    I've got about 8 shirts at this point on the full bespoke program, and given the quality to price ratio (and the convenience of having them local), I don't envision ever sourcing shirts from anywhere else. The real cost for me has been the premium laundering and hand-finishing, since I want them to stay as fresh and perfect as the day they I took them home. As has been discussed before, run of the mill cleaners around here who use machines to press really struggle with the lined but unfused collars (in fact they ruined the test shirt on the first go).

    Also, I made a bunch of adjustments to my pattern, but I'd imagine that for a lot of people who use Hamilton, there is virtually no difference between the MTM and bespoke, which isn't to say they aren't getting fantastically made, well-fitting shirts. But they seemed to think it was a bit odd that I actually wanted the woman who cut my pattern present at the fittings. When I (very politely) asked for the tailor to come out so I could discuss with her a couple of possible adjustments, the owner told me "uhh, I've been doing this for 20+ years, I'm certainly qualified to fit your shirt." LOL I told her, no offense, but I just want the feedback from the person who is actually making the pattern and cutting the shirts. In the end they were very accomodating, but I was a little put off by the gruff response to a request that seemed pretty fundamental in my eyes.


    they were very nice to accommodate your request.
    I doubt she had much experience with customers. who ever was fitting you at hamilton, may have been better at noticing fit issues and relaying the information to the women.

    Charvet makes a beautiful shirt. I would suggest trying to get shirts made from older fabric inventory. Older fabric in lower yarn counts IMO is much better then the newer ultra high count fabrics.
     
  11. mktitsworth

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    If you hit the summer sales with Hamilton, you should be able to get pretty close to $250/shirt.

    I've got about 8 shirts at this point on the full bespoke program, and given the quality to price ratio (and the convenience of having them local), I don't envision ever sourcing shirts from anywhere else. The real cost for me has been the premium laundering and hand-finishing, since I want them to stay as fresh and perfect as the day they I took them home. As has been discussed before, run of the mill cleaners around here who use machines to press really struggle with the lined but unfused collars (in fact they ruined the test shirt on the first go).


    This begs the question of when is the summer sale? Also which fabrics have you opted for? Have you tried any of their Thomas Mason Bespoke fabrics? I've (finally) got an appointment Monday and while I've played and looked at some of the fabrics, I'm curious about the opinion of someone who has some. I'm definitely going with the thick buttons and a test shirt though.

    Charvet makes a beautiful shirt. I would suggest trying to get shirts made from older fabric inventory. Older fabric in lower yarn counts IMO is much better then the newer ultra high count fabrics.

    [​IMG] Why do you recommend the lower yarn counts? Or is that just about the quality of the older fabrics versus newer?
     
  12. Shirtmaven

    Shirtmaven Well-Known Member

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    the older fabrics in lower counts, may not be as soft as newer fabrics.
    i prefer the 100/2 and 120/2 they will last much longer. and the older fabrics were made on older slower looms.
     
  13. TC (Houston)

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    This begs the question of when is the summer sale? Also which fabrics have you opted for? Have you tried any of their Thomas Mason Bespoke fabrics? I've (finally) got an appointment Monday and while I've played and looked at some of the fabrics, I'm curious about the opinion of someone who has some. I'm definitely going with the thick buttons and a test shirt though.

    I get a postcard in the summers that offers a ~10% discount on certain fabrics. I don't know if that's something open to existing customers only or a general store discount.

    I don't know who makes the fabrics I've chosen, although someone remarked that the striped one was Thomas Mason. I selected them all from the bolts of cloth, based on pattern, color and feel to the touch. Here are some pics of some of my shirts (some collars have all been changed to wider spreads):

    http://www.styleforum.net/showpost.p...postcount=2118

    http://www.styleforum.net/showpost.p...postcount=2156

    http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5087/...fa78bc98_b.jpg

    http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5007/...9de49887_b.jpg
     
  14. Shirtmaven

    Shirtmaven Well-Known Member

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    Fabrics should be excellent
    For dress shirts, they only use italian and swiss fabrics
     
  15. Xiaogou

    Xiaogou Well-Known Member

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    Alex Kabbaz makes the BEST shirts.

    Charvet is not even close in terms of construction, fabric choices, and especially fit.


    Bespoke for Bespoke? Don't compare OTR to Bespoke. All of Alex's shirts are machine sewn as are Charvet's. Alex FUSES his collars, Charvet does not.
     
  16. DerekS

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    Still my favorite frequent SF typo. [​IMG]

    sonofa.....hahahahaha
     
  17. Shirtmaven

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    does Charvet Pre-wash bespoke shirts? or do they allow for shrinkage?
    at those prices, I would assume that fabric and linings are all preshrunk.
     
  18. Kuro

    Kuro Well-Known Member

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    does Charvet Pre-wash bespoke shirts? or do they allow for shrinkage?
    at those prices, I would assume that fabric and linings are all preshrunk.


    iirc they prewash bespoke and mtm
     
  19. Griffyndor

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    does Charvet Pre-wash bespoke shirts? or do they allow for shrinkage?
    at those prices, I would assume that fabric and linings are all preshrunk.


    I don't believe so. They make a single shirt first. You are instructed to wear/wash at least five times before returning for another fitting for adjustments. When you purchase subsequent shirts, they assume shrinkage depending upon the fabric.
    A
     
  20. Concordia

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    Charvet does not.
    No kidding?
     

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