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Apartment foo-nishing

Discussion in 'Fine Living, Home, Design & Auto' started by mafoofan, Jun 16, 2013.

  1. mafoofan

    mafoofan Well-Known Member

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    Most philosophy books are bullshit too--because most philosophers are terrible and attempt to cover it up with aggressive verbiage. I suspect this is much the same in architecture.

    It's essentially always true in literary theory and "legal" philosophy.

    One can either derive from this that there is something mystical going on in all these fields, where only the initiated "get it," or that many fields are simply riddled with mediocrity (would that be so surprising?).
     
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  2. mafoofan

    mafoofan Well-Known Member

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    You've never asked anyone for their thoughts about anything? In doing so, are you demonstrating a lack of taste? A lack of individuality? Come on. In my experience, it is precisely the person who fears asking for others insights that lacks self-confidence.

    Anyway, while I'm mustering every civil bone in my body, consider how ridiculous it is for this to come from you. You post hundreds of photos of interiors and buildings for others to look at and discuss. Should I construe that you are desperate for others' approval of your taste?
     
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  3. vernonclark

    vernonclark Well-Known Member

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    Mafoofan is quite right about Stephenhero...belligerence is a tell tale sign in any industry that something is not quite right. StephenHero is not capable of 'why'.

    In regards to your ideas on modernism...I read the posts quickly so I can't provide you a point by point critique right now. You seemed to have a Comtean take on modernism, as if the modernist had the intent of creating something perfect that could never be improved and was immutably good.
     
  4. StephenHero

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    When I ask for advice on something, it's because I can't find what I know I want in something or don't know about the technical aspects of its performance. The other day, I asked for umbrella recommendations, simply because I don't know which ones have a reputation for not breaking. What I wouldn't ask for is the appropriate color, or pattern, or handle material, etc. of an umbrella, because I recognize those are cosmetic and arbitrary to the function of an umbrella, making myself credible enough to judge their appeal without asking others. Since you asked for our help regarding your rug and furniture purely based on its "aesthetic composition" (first post), that distinction between seeking others' expertise and validation of your individualism is lost on you in your search for validation of your shit.
     
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  5. mafoofan

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    My understanding of modernism is that it is the drive to excel in spite of any traditional norms that might get in the way, which is necessarily premised on the notion that the objective good exists and is attainable, if not knowable. The post-modernist disputes the modernist premise ("there is no objective good") and his resulting efforts reflect an effort to expose false genealogies, challenge objective beliefs, illustrate absurdities, etc.


    The function of furniture is not merely to be sat on, eaten on, walked on, etc. Clearly, it has an aesthetic value as well. Ideas that I have not thought of can be helpful in refining my own aesthetic preferences. Anyway, I stated that I am open to discussing all considerations, including practical.

    Asking other people for their opinions is no less valid than looking through an art book for inspiration, or reading a treatise on modernism, etc. What distinguishes the intellectual is not whether he seeks other's thoughts, but what he does with them. I thought that was obvious.
     
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  6. vernonclark

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    Handle material is not an inconsequential, cosmetic matter.

    I think you may be reading too much into a request for opinions...as is often the case, someone asks 'what do you think of this?'

    It is bad form to use that platform to ridicule someone...and it is rather scummy to use that opportunity to pose as an expert. Your opinion, in all instances that I've seen, has always been worthless because there is never any consideration.

    One example that made me laugh quite hard was when you were mocking garish suburban homes--the loosely defined McMansion variety. You were examining the exterior of the home and you hilariously mistook a protruding structure: the gas fireplace, for a closet. You started railing on the stupidity of the builder for not having taken into account the need for a closet and for just simply adding it to the structure later.

    It was a hearty laugh, and I thank you for it...but the upshot is this--you are not competent in matters architecture or even building really.
     
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  7. gomestar

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    does this mean no big shag rug?
     
  8. mafoofan

    mafoofan Well-Known Member

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    I think the shag just intimidates you sexually.
     
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    No, clown. What you're doing is soliciting others to hang art in your house for you. If you just wanted us to provide you options, you wouldn't have given us a floorplan to allow us the opportunity to vicariously live your domestic life for you when we do the selecting.
     
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    to be honest, I hadn't even thought of that.

    but going forward, I shall call large shag rugs "a collection of pennis"
     
  12. vernonclark

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    There is an incongruity between what modernism has preached and what it is...I think the issue I had with your conception was that you seemed to take for granted that modernism has succeeded or, in one case, that a particular chair is the best because it was built on modernist principles.

    The general distinction you've made of course is correct, except, often, modernism eschews traditional forms and norms simply for the sake of eschewing rather than because they might get in the way.
     
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  13. mafoofan

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    Jeezus. See, every time I try to reason with you, you come back with this shit.

    I gave a floorplan because it is a small space. Things have to be carefully composed to fit, and some things won't fit at all. I was trying to provide necessary context.

    What kind of architectural expert thinks it's wise to decide on furniture irrespective of the space it's going to be installed in? No doubt your fan bois will come to your rescue, but I'm hoping more and more people start realizing the emperor wears no clothes and isn't even an emperor.
     
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    Are there SH fanbois?
     
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    :foo:

    If I had to guess, it would be the person asking for advice from people who have never seen his living room to give him advice about what to do with it. In other words, you.
     
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  16. mafoofan

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    Interesting that, of all things sexual, a giant hairy carpet makes you think of penises . . .


    We're in agreement, then. I didn't mean to imply at any point that it always succeeds in achieving the objective good. It's arguably impossible to know if such a goal is even achievable. Hence, the only workable definition of modernism hinges on its intent and theory, not the results.
     
  17. mafoofan

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    That's what the PICTURE was for.
     
  18. vernonclark

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    Mafoofan is either infinitely patient or does not mind jostling with imbeciles. I think the latter...StephenHero is clearly not an architect or an expert. He is not even particularly original, he is playing the Simon Cowell of the architecture forum.

    Anyways, now that his gimmick has been sufficiently prodded...The coffee table, the rectangular? thing that seems to have a design cut into it by lasers--why do you like it? Is it ponderous in person?
     
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  19. StephenHero

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    You mean the FLOOR PLAN, which tells us nothing about the finish of the wood, the size or materials of the windows, the height of the ceiling, the orientation to light, the details of the baseboards, the wall treatment, the ceiling plan's lighting , the spaces beyond, etc. In other words, the components of aesthetic composition that allow us to judge it much more effectively.
     
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  20. vernonclark

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    Why not tell him what he should like StephenHero? Everyone can then assess your ideas and come to a conclusion on whether you are just being a nuisance or not. I like to think of you as the Donald Trump of architecture, am I wrong? Please, don't fire me if so.

    Also, be careful with those gas fireplaces--some look awfully like closets.
     
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