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Advice for a jobless Finance major since one year after graduation?

Discussion in 'Business, Careers & Education' started by Saturdays, Apr 10, 2011.

  1. Saturdays

    Saturdays Well-Known Member

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    My story:
    Graduated Finance from Mich. State University. Did a few local internships at Morgan Stanley and accounting/finance departments at local hospitals.
    Since I graduated last May I have been working part time for a physician managing his business.
    I have been expressing my interest to relocate for positions to any state within the USA.

    I've been successful in acquiring interviews at big name companies: Intel, HP, Ralph Lauren, Target, Dell..to name a few. I have also received job offers for jobs in the Financial rep field (which I have no interest of pursuing).

    Now it has been a year and I just found out that the job I was betting on just let me know I will not be getting a job with them.
    I've used all the connections I have, dad works at HP, uncle works at CitiBank, friend used to be in IB, past room mate works for GE.. and thats only the people who were at arms length away from me, I've contacted many people who these people know as well.

    I am currently living in MI and I have been debating on moving to a big city out of state and maybe getting a local job or a temp job. I'm getting desperate and I know a 1 yr gap from graduation to working in the industry looks bad and can become difficult to explain without making myself look unappealing.

    any advice would be great!


    tl;dr: Graduated from MSU last May with BA in Finance, been looking for a job as an Analyst, IB, Fund management, etc.. but not limiting myself to only Finance also been looking at Accounting/Supply Chain/Marketing
     
  2. Lord-Barrington

    Lord-Barrington Well-Known Member

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    My story:
    Graduated Finance from Mich. State University. Did a few local internships at Morgan Stanley and accounting/finance departments at local hospitals.
    Since I graduated last May I have been working part time for a physician managing his business.
    I have been expressing my interest to relocate for positions to any state within the USA.

    I've been successful in acquiring interviews at big name companies: Intel, HP, Ralph Lauren, Target, Dell..to name a few. I have also received job offers for jobs in the Financial rep field (which I have no interest of pursuing).

    Now it has been a year and I just found out that the job I was betting on just let me know I will not be getting a job with them.
    I've used all the connections I have, dad works at HP, uncle works at CitiBank, friend used to be in IB, past room mate works for GE.. and thats only the people who were at arms length away from me, I've contacted many people who these people know as well.

    I am currently living in MI and I have been debating on moving to a big city out of state and maybe getting a local job or a temp job. I'm getting desperate and I know a 1 yr gap from graduation to working in the industry looks bad and can become difficult to explain without making myself look unappealing.

    any advice would be great!


    tl;dr: Graduated from MSU last May with BA in Finance, been looking for a job as an Analyst, IB, Fund management, etc.. but not limiting myself to only Finance also been looking at Accounting/Supply Chain/Marketing


    The boat for IB, HF/PE and all that sailed months ago. Forget about that and think of another area of business you might be interested in. At this stage the best advice I can give you is to be as proactive as possible in your search and try to lower your standards a bit without screwing yourself for the future. What I mean by this is that you obviously don't want to take any job but you can't wait around for a plum spot a Morgan Stanley to open up either, because it won't.
     
  3. uNiCoRnPriNcEsSx

    uNiCoRnPriNcEsSx Well-Known Member

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    Yea, network your ass off, and don't take no for an answer. Do it harder, and if you can't get a banking job in 6 months, go to grad school and try to get in as an associate.
     
  4. clee1982

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    Yea, network your ass off, and don't take no for an answer. Do it harder, and if you can't get a banking job in 6 months, go to grad school and try to get in as an associate.

    MBA won't work for him, no working experience. Any other master degree will be analyst as well, you can try to negotiate that as well, but usually nothing will happen.

    To OP, if you think IBD is your life calling, then working for a bit, MBA back to IBD is the most possible route. Any other one is much harder, yes you can network your ass off, but that's not a guarantee, and you have been sitting for a year already, any longer it's going to look really funny on your resume.

    As far as I know commercial bank, American Express are much easier to get in, if you don't mind that, then might not be a bad idea. Do you really want to be in finance though? You're actually young enough to take a stab at something else. I would skip accounting, to me it's a worse trap.
     
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  6. Quadcammer

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    look for internships at i-banks. The summer ones are gone, but maybe you can get a winter one somewhere.

    Going to a 2nd rate mba program just to get one won't do shit for you without experience.
     
  7. Saturdays

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    look for internships at i-banks. The summer ones are gone, but maybe you can get a winter one somewhere.

    Going to a 2nd rate mba program just to get one won't do shit for you without experience.


    I have been looking at internships but nearly every internship is for-credit only.
     
  8. Lord-Barrington

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    I have been looking at internships but nearly every internship is for-credit only.

    You don't sound like someone who is deadset on IB, but rather someone who wants to do it because it's the place to go after graduating in finance. My advice to you would be to look into some other business function or maybe corporate finance rather than wasting your time trying to break into IB.
     
  9. Saturdays

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    MBA won't work for him, no working experience. Any other master degree will be analyst as well, you can try to negotiate that as well, but usually nothing will happen. To OP, if you think IBD is your life calling, then working for a bit, MBA back to IBD is the most possible route. Any other one is much harder, yes you can network your ass off, but that's not a guarantee, and you have been sitting for a year already, any longer it's going to look really funny on your resume. As far as I know commercial bank, American Express are much easier to get in, if you don't mind that, then might not be a bad idea. Do you really want to be in finance though? You're actually young enough to take a stab at something else. I would skip accounting, to me it's a worse trap.
    I have very little tolerance for Accounitng and if I can avoid it I will. I'm only 22 so yes I am young, probably a big downside when looking for a job. I am considering getting a degree in Supply Chain from MSU since it usually is regarded as the #1 or #2 school for Supply Chain. My most ideal job would be to run a mutual fund for a company or at least participate in the analysis that goes into the purchases and decisions the fund managers make, obviously this is not the end-point but possibly a mid-point into a career. However I am very flexible, not because I am desperate, but because I have many interests I am willing to pursue and not afraid to make, let's say, Supply Chain as my career choice, even though I have an interest in Finance. My father keeps stressing I get an MBA or Master's but everyone I speak with other than family and friends tells me to work 2-3 yrs before pursuing a MBA or Master's. Also pursuing a Master's in Finance is not an easy task particularly because most schools require previous work/studies in various programming language. I have also thought of diversifying myself by getting a degree in something more specialized like Retailing or Video/Film design, and this might gear me for corporations in that industry.
    The boat for IB, HF/PE and all that sailed months ago. Forget about that and think of another area of business you might be interested in. At this stage the best advice I can give you is to be as proactive as possible in your search and try to lower your standards a bit without screwing yourself for the future. What I mean by this is that you obviously don't want to take any job but you can't wait around for a plum spot a Morgan Stanley to open up either, because it won't.
    I try my best to lower my standards but maybe I am not lowering enough.
     
  10. Saturdays

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    You don't sound like someone who is deadset on IB, but rather someone who wants to do it because it's the place to go after graduating in finance. My advice to you would be to look into some other business function or maybe corporate finance rather than wasting your time trying to break into IB.

    yeah i tried to stress that I'm not dead set into IB. Corporate Finance would be ideal for me, something I can relate much more to. To tell you the truth I have not applied to many IB jobs as compared to Corp Finance, Consulting, Supply Chain, Financial Analyst etc..

    Most interviews I have had have been for the Finance side of Supply Chain and Financial Analyst positions. Both of which I do not mind working in to build up a starting point for a career, unfortunately I have yet to provided an offer for any of these positions.

    I don't even mind working min. wage, as long as I can receive adequate and necessary experience within Corporate Finance/Financial Analyst roles.
     
  11. Lord-Barrington

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    I have very little tolerance for Accounitng and if I can avoid it I will. I'm only 22 so yes I am young, probably a big downside when looking for a job. I am considering getting a degree in Supply Chain from MSU since it usually is regarded as the #1 or #2 school for Supply Chain. My most ideal job would be to run a mutual fund for a company or at least participate in the analysis that goes into the purchases and decisions the fund managers make, obviously this is not the end-point but possibly a mid-point into a career. However I am very flexible, not because I am desperate, but because I have many interests I am willing to pursue and not afraid to make, let's say, Supply Chain as my career choice, even though I have an interest in Finance.

    My father keeps stressing I get an MBA or Master's but everyone I speak with other than family and friends tells me to work 2-3 yrs before pursuing a MBA or Master's. Also pursuing a Master's in Finance is not an easy task particularly because most schools require previous work/studies in various programming language. I have also thought of diversifying myself by getting a degree in something more specialized like Retailing or Video/Film design, and this might gear me for corporations in that industry.



    I try my best to lower my standards but maybe I am not lowering enough.


    I work in supply chain and I find it quite interesting, for whatever that's worth. It's a lot more involving as an entry level job than a lot of other business functions where you're just entering data or staring at your computer screen all day.
    I'm a firm believer than getting a masters degree because you can't find a job is a bad idea. Go to work first and use your graduate degree to specialize. Getting an MBA right away is a terrible idea. MBAs are usually for 5-7 years out unless you're in MC or IB where you usually do an MBA after 2-3 years.
     
  12. Saturdays

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    I work in supply chain and I find it quite interesting, for whatever that's worth. It's a lot more involving as an entry level job than a lot of other business functions where you're just entering data or staring at your computer screen all day.
    I'm a firm believer than getting a masters degree because you can't find a job is a bad idea. Go to work first and use your graduate degree to specialize. Getting an MBA right away is a terrible idea. MBAs are usually for 5-7 years out unless you're in MC or IB where you usually do an MBA after 2-3 years.


    yeah I've been thinking of doing a second Undergrad degree in Supply Chain, it shouldn't take me more than a year and a half to complete. I can possibly use the status of being a student to get some internships to build up more experience. Any thoughts on this route?
     
  13. Lord-Barrington

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    yeah I've been thinking of doing a second Undergrad degree in Supply Chain, it shouldn't take me more than a year and a half to complete. I can possibly use the status of being a student to get some internships to build up more experience. Any thoughts on this route?

    Not sure about the second undergrad. You might want to find someone who has done it (not necessarily in SCM) and see how it work. But I think there comes a time when you have to sack it up and plough ahead until you find something. Kids our age (I'm in my twenties as well) tend to avoid the labor market until things fall into place and their expectations for employment are met. Sometimes you just need to jump in and start hustling.
     
  14. Saturdays

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    Not sure about the second undergrad. You might want to find someone who has done it (not necessarily in SCM) and see how it work. But I think there comes a time when you have to sack it up and plough ahead until you find something. Kids our age (I'm in my twenties as well) tend to avoid the labor market until things fall into place and their expectations for employment are met. Sometimes you just need to jump in and start hustling.

    Yeah, alternatively I may take the plunge and head out to Chicago, got a friend with an apartment there who is willing to let me stay with him and use his address to find a job there locally.
     
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    I have very little tolerance for Accounting and if I can avoid it I will.
    Have you considered tax? I graduated two years ago with a Major in Managerial Economics and a minor in Accounting and was able to find a job in Multistate Tax. A lot of the issue we work on (unity, instant unity, nexus) straddle the IB hemisphere.
     
  16. Saturdays

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    Have you considered tax? I graduated two years ago with a Major in Managerial Economics and a minor in Accounting and was able to find a job in Multistate Tax. A lot of the issue we work on (unity, instant unity, nexus) straddle the IB hemisphere.

    I have applied for a few jobs that focused on tax. However, I have not really had any tax-related coursework other than what is normal for finance majors, which was mainly managing taxes throughout a project when calculating NVP.
    I really do not know if my interests lie within that field without doing more research about it.
     
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    The world needs ditchdiggers too
     
  18. Saturdays

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    The world needs ditchdiggers too

    Unfortunately this would require me to obtain a degree in Genetics with a specialization in Cloning. Then I would have to lead a team of researchers and archaelogists for years, until I find a suitable specimen of a dinosaur so that I could create this:

    [​IMG]

    It will take trial and error and the result of me ever realizing any income from all of this will probably be in 35 years.
     
  19. nate10184

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    I told somebody else this a while back and I still think it holds true...get your foot in the door anyway you can at a big company you'd like to work for. It really doesn't matter what function (HR, marketing, sales, etc.), once you get in a move into finance will be much easier. If your dad works at HP I have to imagine he could set you up with interviews somewhere in the company.

    If you are ambitious and willing to network it's not hard to move around a big company when you're junior. You'll find most of your peers are content to work 9-5 and collect paychecks every month. Show any initiative and you will stand out.

    Oh and whatever you do don't go back to school.
     
  20. Saturdays

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    I told somebody else this a while back and I still think it holds true...get your foot in the door anyway you can at a big company you'd like to work for. It really doesn't matter what function (HR, marketing, sales, etc.), once you get in a move into finance will be much easier.

    If you are ambitious and willing to network it's not hard to move around a big company when you're junior. You'll find most of your peers are content to work 9-5 and collect paychecks every month. Show any initiative and you will stand out.


    Thanks, I haven't been avoiding this technique. It's just getting your foot in sometimes means being a Administrative Assistant which usually is simply being a Secretary.
    Point is I have been doing this to a certain extent with me filtering out the jobs that can open up to bigger, better or different opportunities. Maybe I should widen my scope a little.

    Thanks for the advise, gives me something more to apply and consider.
     

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