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A Fine Pair of Shoes x Alfred Sargent MTO Thread

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by SuitedDx, May 18, 2012.

  1. Harrydog

    Harrydog Well-Known Member

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    Definitely up for getting an order in for the Miller (Suede/shell) Balmoral boot? At this point, they have "some interest, but no orders." I am not thrilled about plunking down the money and then waiting a couple of months before production can even begin with 16 weeks production time after that. I am tempted to just go with the G&G Canterbury or the EG Shannon (yes, I know they have a captoe, so the style is a bit different.) The prices escalate dramatically, however. (In pounds): 550 for AS, 750 for G&G, 960 for EG (shipping and trees. Neither G&G or EG is quoted for shell.

    Anyways....any interest in:

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    (image does not show the shoe in shell)

    I would be fine doing the boot in the dark oak calf as pictured. Don't know if that is an option. The problem with customizing is that you still need to get six orders together; that is why i would be fine with just gpoing with the model/make-up they are offering.

    Cheers!

    I have the Moore in 724. I am a US 10.5D and went with the UK9.5F. Plenty of length and a little roomy in the width. I think I would do a 9.5E in the boot. For the most part, the 724 fits me like the C&J 348 or 337 with a little more width.
     
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  2. grunberg

    grunberg Well-Known Member

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    I am considering... But definitely will take part (if) only when the production order will be at start. I am poor student )))) and can't throw away my money for half a year))))
    And that colours are not my favorite.But will se what other participants have to say)))


    There is a rainbow of colours of Miller on AS facebook page and proposed one isn't the best I think.
    http://www.facebook.com/AlfredSargent

    So lets see
     
  3. dieworkwear

    dieworkwear Well-Known Member

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    I may be interested, but this will be an impossible task if we just let the masses voice what they're interested in. A strong leader must emerge, one with superior taste, and narrow the range of options to 3-4 models. Then we can see if we can whip up enough orders. (I've been living in non-democratic societies for too long).

    If we let people just randomly shout what options they're interested in, this thread will go nowhere. Pure democracy is chaos. Even functioning ones operate as republics.

    So - someone take charge. Figure out three or four smart models and propose them. Then let people decide whether they see something they like.

    Some form of a dress boot seems popular right now. What are the other two or three models?
     
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  4. SuitedDx

    SuitedDx Well-Known Member

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    One of the appeals I believe is having the boot made with Cordovan. My preference is the Miller boot (standard last, medallion plain toe) but with the upper made with black cordovan and the shaft with #8. Thoughts?
     
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  5. Afinepairofshoes

    Afinepairofshoes Well-Known Member

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    Just a note of interest, we have been given very special dispensation to use the AS Handgrade styles of AS Benson and AS Miller, albeit on Exclusive lasts.

    The AS Handgrade styles are considerably more expensive.

    This will not always be possible, and is yet more support from AS in our group mto programme.
     
  6. gyasih

    gyasih Well-Known Member

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    +1. I would suggest 2 shell models and 2 non-shell models.
     
  7. Harrydog

    Harrydog Well-Known Member

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    That is why I am fine going with the model advertized by A Fine Pair...otherwise we will talk ourselves in circles and never reach a consensus.
     
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  8. dieworkwear

    dieworkwear Well-Known Member

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    I agree this would be best, though whoever leads should check with AS and AFPS to see if we all need to go along with the same material. Perhaps that's not necessary.
     
  9. Harrydog

    Harrydog Well-Known Member

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    Is it possible to place an MTO as a "one off" and pay a make-up fee?

    Getting agreement on six pair will be pretty difficult I fear. That must be why you offered/promote the shoe the way you do on your website. A suede/shell combination in the colors you describe. Sounds like a very distinctive shoe and an even better value.

    I'd buy it immediately were it a stock item.

    I have seen some vendors keep a counter where the number of orders received are indicated and updated. I can see this cutting two ways. With no orders in it might well discourage someone from placing an order. On the other hand, if it said 4/6 in, the last two orders might follow pretty quickly. Kind of a catch 22, I admit.
     
  10. Afinepairofshoes

    Afinepairofshoes Well-Known Member

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    Yes, we need a minimum of six pairs in the same style, colour and leather type. I will make sure I update the count on this thread so you can see how many are left to go. Most importantly is that we are very careful with your money. This is going to take a bit of care and attention, but I'm sure we can get it going.
     
  11. lee_44106

    lee_44106 Well-Known Member

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    I agree with everything above.

    I WILL buy the BENSON MTO.

    I do not like any sort of balmoral boots in general, so I have no interest in theMILLER.

    If possible, a count of how many pair has been confirmed would be tremendously helpful for all prospective buyers.


    I would like a group order of a medallion wholecut, in dark shell cordovan. An example would be this:
    http://alfredsargent.co.uk/handgrade-range/milton/
     
  12. Afinepairofshoes

    Afinepairofshoes Well-Known Member

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    OK - should I set up a page for AS Hurst (Whole cut with medallion on the AS99 last) in Horween Cognac Cordovan then?
     
  13. Harrydog

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    I would think you would simply generate a receipt/credit and then apply it to the order when the order is placed. If the order does not occur, the buyer could have the amount refunded to their credit card or applied to an instock purchase if they wish.

    I am ready to place the order, but would love to have a few more people jump in so we can be half way to the 6 pair minimum. You could then note that on your website which might help draw in the last few orders.

    I am not wed to the shell/suede. I think the dark oakcalf/suede combo looks great. Doing it up in shell is pretty unique and particularly good value. I have a black captoe/ grey suede balmoral boot, and the brown boot would be a nice addition.
     
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    This would be very helpful for me to make up my mind.
    I'm a bit on the fence with the Benson MTO.
    Knowing how many orders there are would help force my decision.
     
  15. Harrydog

    Harrydog Well-Known Member

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    I assume these are the examples you are referencing:

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    Some interesting combinations, but getting agreement on six orders will be a challenge. I think some combination of brown would be pretty mainstream and garner more support, but I may be wrong. Let's leave tan/green or light blue/navy for an individual order through AS Handgrade.
     
  16. NAMOR

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    Harrydog, do you have a "normal" width? I'm interested in the boot but I'm unsure if I should size down one or just a half. Based in the AS models available on the 724 last, it seems I would need to size down half and go with the "slim" fitting

    For reference, I go tts in C&J 337 last and size down a half in the 348
     
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    Get the boot!
     
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    Read about your Shannon boot, when is it scheduled to arrive? Also, I think this Miller boot is different enough to justify both

    :slayer:
     
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    How would you compare it to C&J 337, 341, and 348? Typically size down 1/2 size in AS?

    Excuse the multiple post-hard to multiquote on cell phone
     
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  20. dieworkwear

    dieworkwear Well-Known Member

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    December. I'm planning to order the EG Oundle and G&G Canterbury soon, however, so I'm a bit less interested in the Benson and Miller. I'm up for hearing what other options members are interested in though.
     

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