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post #46 of 68
1/29/09 at 4:21am
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Originally Posted by beansprouts1 View Post
what is the obsession with chopin? I thought it tasted like crap, almost identical to the plastic bottled junk (banker's club) that I drank in college. I thought absolut was awful too. grey goose, good but not great, and stolichnya was quite nice.

You get the berry flavored stoli?

Chopin is a potato vodka, rather than being distilled from grain. Like any alcohol, it is an acquired taste, but it is actually quite smooth. Any room temp vodka can be quite harsh, that is why I prefer to put it over rocks and let it sit a bit, or shake and let it chill in a shaker for about a minute with some lime. Taste surprisingly good that way. But every one is going to have their own preferences, and no one is right or wrong. Although I am absolutely correct in saying GG, Absolut, and Popov taste like ass, I would imagine.
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post #47 of 68
1/29/09 at 4:27am
I usually get either the unflavored normal stoly or the stoly gold. I usually drink vodka on the rocks or neat, maybe chopin is too fierce for that? or maybe im just a newb . Bought an absolut peach in college, it was awful, had an aversion to flavored vodka ever since.
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post #48 of 68
1/29/09 at 4:41am
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Originally Posted by beansprouts1 View Post
I usually get either the unflavored normal stoly or the stoly gold. I usually drink vodka on the rocks or neat, maybe chopin is too fierce for that? or maybe im just a newb . Bought an absolut peach in college, it was awful, had an aversion to flavored vodka ever since.

Nah, if you don't like it, you don't like it. But if you really care to, go buy a bottle of Chopin and finish it (not at one sitting - unless you are up for that sort of thing), then see what you think. I prefer Belvedere over Chopin, personally. Plus, Chopin is harder to come by at bars and such.
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post #49 of 68
1/29/09 at 4:50am
Ah yes, I've forgotten about belvedere, +1. I did get a bottle of chopin during a trip in canada. Itinerary went something like this: Stayed at a friends house, bought the chopin, drank lots of alcohol minus the chopin that I didn't like, got snowed in, ran out of alcohol, was forced to drink the chopin over the course of 3 days.

I think people in this thread have mentioned that chopin tends to vary a good bit in quality bottle to bottle, so maybe I just bought a crappy bottle that one time? maybe i'll give another try when I get the chance.
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post #50 of 68
1/29/09 at 4:54am
Grey Goose is pretty good IMO, I'd put it in the top 10 of "mainstream" vodkas. This is surprising given that the company is only ~10 years old. It has positioned itself very well the French=quality cache`.

I prefer Belvedere and Chopin myself and recently tried Ketel One which I was disappointed with.
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post #51 of 68
1/29/09 at 5:08am
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Originally Posted by beansprouts1 View Post
what is the obsession with chopin? I thought it tasted like crap, almost identical to the plastic bottled junk (banker's club) that I drank in college. I thought absolut was awful too. grey goose, good but not great, and stolichnya was quite nice.

You must have gotten a bad batch. I read an article from some NY-Timesy type newspaper about a blind taste test and Stolnichnaya came out on top. IMO it is a great vodka but the hangover is brutal. What makes a vodka a premium one isn't the excessive distillation which takes out so much taste traces, but the effect the day after. I can drink shot after shot of chopin or belvedere and feel great after just 6 hours of sleep. Not so with Absolute - which despite going for the crisp bottled water taste of GG or Belvedere - leaves me hammered the next morning and unable to function. Stolnichnaya tastes great but the day after...
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post #52 of 68
1/29/09 at 6:36am
made a great discovery @ the local Ralphs last week... "obelisk" some french brand that was priced at $35 a bottle but on sale for $17...as smooth as the Grey Goose to me going down at a much better price
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post #53 of 68
1/29/09 at 1:16pm
Has anybody tried Iceberg Vodka? Its Canadian, so it's available up here for ridiculously cheap compared to others. Reviews say it's quite a good Vodka.
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post #54 of 68
1/29/09 at 5:58pm
has anyone tried stolichnaya elite?
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post #55 of 68
1/29/09 at 6:07pm
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Has anybody tried Iceberg Vodka? Its Canadian, so it's available up here for ridiculously cheap compared to others. Reviews say it's quite a good Vodka.

I have and it's good, that and Stoli are what I usually buy.

As for Grey Goose it's become a way for (young) guys with too much money to (try) signal that have a lot of cash, they are willing to spend it, so you had better give them good service. One of my bosses was about my age, and whenever we went out together it was only grey goose w/ soda for him. It made him feel like he was a big shot. Whatever works for you I guess, I have no problem with drinking it as it's decent vodka, but I'd never pay for it myself.
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post #56 of 68
1/29/09 at 6:33pm
Thanks for that article, Happydayz. I did not know that about Grey Goose. Sounds like a Veblen good.
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The differences in that "more or less" may, in fact, be huge. The difference in taste and aroman (though some would say smell) between an Irish whisky like Jameson and a Scots whisky from Islay, such as Laphroaig, is so considerable that many can't even get near the Laphroaig yet alone taste it. That difference is due to chemical compounds called phenols that are present in Islay whiskies at concentrations on the order of 50 parts per million, or approximately 0.005%. So while vodkas as a rule are considerably less bold than any of their other spiritous counterparts, they still have distinctive flavor profiles that are definitely evident to many tasters. That subtlety is why many enjoy vodka as a counterpart to the brash circus of flavor that is bourbon or whisky. Just as with those spirits, the distilling process involves the cut between the feints and foreshoots that determines the character of the vodkas and the amount of flavor components remaining. Ciroc retains fruitiness due its grape origins, just as the pepper is evident in rye whiskys, and a certain mellow starchy note for the potato vodkas. Cheap vodka can be as nasty as cheap whisky, so I think there is room for premium vodkas on the spectrum of tastes. I hope to get some data from a gas chromatograph/mass spectrometer to back some of these statements up with empirical evidence sometime this year. ~ H
I read this about 2 years ago, proposing to do a blind taste test followed by GC/MS analysis. I don't know what happened with that. Would be interesting. Do you run GC/MS at work?
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post #57 of 68
1/29/09 at 10:33pm
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Oh, I can absolutely taste the differences between various vodkas, even in spite of having smoked twenty a day for twenty-five years (I'm supposed to have the palate of an ashtray, but I still think I can). That may be why I like whisky's "brash circus of flavor" (good phrase, that) - my palate is ruined. With vodka, I just think it's a case of very speedily diminishing returns - and I think cheap vodka is more or less always drinkable, at least when mixed, while bad whisky can be completely undrinkable. And please do the chromatograph tests!
I believe I pretty much agree with you. The bar for diminishing returns in the dark spirits is far higher. Believe me, I will run the tests as soon as I possibly can because I'm passionate about this stuff...
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Thanks for that article, Happydayz. I did not know that about Grey Goose. Sounds like a Veblen good. I read this about 2 years ago, proposing to do a blind taste test followed by GC/MS analysis. I don't know what happened with that. Would be interesting. Do you run GC/MS at work?
Whoa, great article -- I follow that site and many of those Darcy links too but I somehow missed that. I bet he got priced out of it -- GC/MS is expensive due to the ton of data it (potentially) can generate. No, I don't run one....yet. My department hopes to get one, perhaps soon, and maybe I can borrow it a little. I've already run FTIR with an absolute ethanol standard but a number of the key bonds are down in the <1000 wavenumber area where it just doesn't have the resolution. The senior chemist saw some differentiation between vodka and Lagavulin, but not much, and that's a huge change, so I await the mass spec. ~H
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post #58 of 68
1/29/09 at 11:13pm
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has anyone tried stolichnaya elite?

Stolichnaya elite is another very nice Vodka - are you a fan?
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post #59 of 68
1/29/09 at 11:33pm
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has anyone tried stolichnaya elite?

i am pretty sure it is the same as stoli balck label it only costs more.
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post #60 of 68
1/30/09 at 11:16am
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Stolichnaya elite is another very nice Vodka - are you a fan?

haven't tried it yet.
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