Dont forget about Jay Kos, the king of snobby NYC stores. Its annoying because I generally like the merchandise, but just get so put off by the environment. Last time I was in there I was treated to a good 5 minute disertation as to why my MTM Isaia suit was completely inferior and ill fitting compared to his models. I humored the man (who is the owner) by sliding on what he swore was my size (42 R) and listened to him then tell me how well it fit. It was especially funny since the jacket fit me so poorly I could have found a better fitting one at the Mens Warehouse. I gently tried telling him that the sleeves were at least 3 inches too short (I have a 37" sleevelength) and that the length of the coat barely made it past my belt buckle. No matter, according to him, he would fit me for his MTM program. This delightful exchange ended in him asking about my shoes, which were my favorites (EG Warwicks, acorn antique) and that I should stop back in to get a pair of EG Galways. He told me he had to call ITALY to talk to Edward Green to see when his shipment was arriving. I had no idea why he would be calling Italy to get EG's, but I pretty much had enough by this point. That was about 2 years ago. Since then I basically regard salespeople the same way I do at fast food restaurants. I politly ask them to get me what I would like, then please leave me alone, and then if I chose to buy something, please ring it up. That isnt to say I am rude, far from it. Sir and Maam always. I just dont let them offer a bit of advice about anything, its just too frustrating. Anyone who works on commission truly has no motivation to do anything other than get a quick sale. Its too bad, because the good ones are so few and far between. They are all so shortsighted, since hardly any of them realize that turning down the quick sale in exchange for some meaningful advice could lead to a long term sales relationship. When I was 24 and knew alot less about clothes than I do now I went into the RL mansion to buy a few suits. I really loved a navy flannel single breasted peak lapel model. It was georgeous. I had never seen a peak lapel single breasted before and loved the thing. The only problem was they only had a 42 L, not the 40 L I needed. Regardless, the man helping me swore it fit and wanted me to buy it. He was a terrible salesman, totally uninterested in really helping a young guy. I didnt know much, but I knew that suit was way too big on me. I left, frustrated, but left my phone number behind at his request. A few days later a pleasant young lady called and said she had overheard the conversation and called some other stores for me and found my size. I went back in, she helped me out, and we have been friends since. In fact, since that day, I have bought 2 MTM suits from her each spring and fall (thats about 15 suits). The best part about it is the other guy still works there, and shoots me a nasty look whenever I am in there. I wish there were more salespeople like her. Instead, they all think its better to cram you into whatever they need to sell at the moment and be done with it. Then, as the title of the thread indicates, most feel the need to do this in the most condescending way possible.