Obama tux: notch lapels, two buttons, flap pockets, single vent, white bow tie

LabelKing · Jan 21, 2009

Originally Posted by mack11211

One other note re Michelle vs Jackie:

Jackie had the foresight and $$$ to have a court cotourier. This was Oleg Cassini, who came from minor Russian nobility and played his role excellently. Plus, according to his memoir, he loved doing it. This work of course made his name.

The cost of her wardrobe was hundreds of thousands of dollars (fifty years ago), which Jackie's father-in-law Joe Kennedy quietly paid.

I believe they had Cassini copy Chanel designs.

TheFoo · Jan 21, 2009

Originally Posted by LabelKing

Michelle Obama seems to be under the mistaken impression she is some kind of fashionplate.
Yes. This is a real problem. But I think it just goes to show that people want so badly to believe the President and his wife are Camelot's second-coming that they will convince themselves of anything. Because they all call her a fashion plate, she's probably come to believe it.

fritzl · Jan 21, 2009

I hope for gods sake, Sator didn't see his wristwatch.

gentleman amateur · Jan 21, 2009

Well, sartorially Obama has gotten off to a disastrous start.

Manton · Jan 21, 2009

Originally Posted by Mark from Plano

Did he fire the White House protocol officer?

Typcially the WH Social Secretary is a rich, middle-aged housewife from Georgetown or maybe the President's hometown, but someone whose whole purpose in life up to that point was to give really great parties. You have to meet one of these people to really understand what a throwback they are.

I have no idea who Obama's WHSS is, though I read somewhere that she has already been selected.

awxg · Jan 21, 2009

Am I the only one that prefers a shawl lapel on a tux?

zjpj83 · Jan 21, 2009

Originally Posted by mafoofan

Yes. This is a real problem. But I think it just goes to show that people want so badly to believe the President and his wife are Camelot's second-coming that they will convince themselves of anything. Because they all call her a fashion plate, she's probably come to believe it.

Let's hope Obama can keep his pants on, unlike the Camelot's last ruler.

greekonomist · Jan 21, 2009

Ok here's my verdict: The good: His tux fit him well. The bad: The white bow tie. (Though I'll note that I saw a pic of John McCain in a bright red bow tie, so I guess we would have lost sartorially either way) The excusable: 1. We've lost the battle against notch lapel DJs. The difference between a peak and a notch isn't so great as to ruin an outfit, especially with a tie like that! 2. The flap pockets. Tuck 'em. 3. Brown can stay in town, yellow can be mellow, and single vents for presidents--I doubt as US president could get away with flashy European double vents, honestly.

calvinloke · Jan 21, 2009

Sorry but may I know what's wrong with a white bow tie on a white tie affair?

voxsartoria · Jan 21, 2009

Originally Posted by mack11211

Sigh.

Sartorial obamanation.

Originally Posted by iammatt

She needs somebody to teach her how to dress appropriately. We are now going on three, maybe four, first ladies who look like they learned to dress from the assistant store manager from the local Dress Barn outlet.

Originally Posted by iammatt

My wife thought it was atrocious. She mentioned that lemon-lime was not to be worn in the middle of January, and that she should learn how to dress.

That said, they don't need to dress well, but pretending like they do is kind of silly.

Quit your whining. This is your dream come true: the middle class has truly taken over mental stewardship of the country.

Originally Posted by JLibourel

In the old days, genteel people deliberately dressed their servants in these mismatched melanges of formal and semi-formal attire so their guests would recongnize their proper station and not confuse the hired help with their fellow guests. That was in many ways a better time!

A POTUS is hired help. A temp at that. Deal with it.

Originally Posted by LabelKing

Michelle Obama seems to be under the mistaken impression she is some kind of fashionplate.

I think she reads the J. Crew threads in SW&D. They have a spellbinding effect on all readers.

Originally Posted by dsmolken

Well-dressed leadership is one of the many advantages of monarchy over democracy.

Perhaps, but even monarchal dress has been going downhill slowly since the pharoahs. In particular, let me point out that rulers of ancient Egypt remained well turned out even when dead.

Originally Posted by mack11211

One other note re Michelle vs Jackie:

The cost of her wardrobe was hundreds of thousands of dollars (fifty years ago), which Jackie's father-in-law Joe Kennedy quietly paid.

Adjusting for inflation, a multi-mill Mimi O wardrobe would send a powerful and useful message in these troubled financial times. That message? "F*ck you."

Originally Posted by mafoofan

Yes. This is a real problem. But I think it just goes to show that people want so badly to believe the President and his wife are Camelot's second-coming that they will convince themselves of anything. Because they all call her a fashion plate, she's probably come to believe it.

I think that you are making a subliminal dig at HLS.

Originally Posted by Manton

Typcially the WH Social Secretary is a rich, middle-aged housewife from Georgetown or maybe the President's hometown, but someone whose whole purpose in life up to that point was to give really great parties. You have to meet one of these people to really understand what a throwback they are.

These individuals were also known as "the First Lady" in the past. They no longer exist.

- B

whnay. · Jan 21, 2009

Oh this hoopla about how great the guy dresses...then he walked out and I lost my ****.

Ugh.

voxsartoria · Jan 21, 2009

Originally Posted by fritzl

I hope for gods sake, Sator didn't see his wristwatch.

Hilarious!

I think that I just felt the Earth wobble.

- B

voxsartoria · Jan 21, 2009

Originally Posted by whnay.

Oh this hoopla about how great the guy dresses...then he walked out and I lost my ****.

Ugh.

Classic small-timer complaint.

- B

koolhistorian · Jan 21, 2009

Originally Posted by calvinloke

Sorry but may I know what's wrong with a white bow tie on a white tie affair?

Because it was a "black tie affair"! White tie is with tails, black tie it is with dinner jacket (a.k.a tuxedo).

norton · Jan 21, 2009

Originally Posted by voxsartoria

Sartorial obamanation.

Quit your whining. This is your dream come true: the middle class has truly taken over mental stewardship of the country.

- B

No, that would have been had Sarah Palen been elected. And not necessarily a bad thing at that.

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