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post #61 of 165
1/19/09 at 9:36pm
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Originally Posted by lance konami View Post
It shows.

hahahah
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post #62 of 165
1/19/09 at 9:41pm
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It shows.

Yep, I know. I need to start eating them again.
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post #63 of 165
1/19/09 at 9:42pm
I like milk and I need more protein in m diet. Whey doesn't taste the best, so I just mix whey and milk together and I have a great tasting protein shake.

Does it get any simpler than this?

Also, for PWO, I prefer to have a big meal. If there is nothing to eat, I will have a glass of grap juice and whey+milk. Have had good results over a four week period when I was training hard and eating excessively and supplementing with whey protein. The key is training hard and eating excessively here.
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post #64 of 165
1/19/09 at 10:06pm
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It shows.

Haha! Woah!
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post #65 of 165
1/19/09 at 11:58pm
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Originally Posted by why View Post
If he actually said it had to be after a workout, then he's wrong and dumb. Digestion doesn't stop and start around working out.

I don't understand why people think a workout is some kind of isolated entity that changes the body. Everything done -- eating, drinking, shitting, walking, etc. engages so many different parts of the body that they all have an effect. When someone starts talking about hard and fast rules for weight loss/gain or strength/speed or what have you they always end up looking like fools because they can't see the forest for the trees.

The post-workout window is a timeframe in which in the body recovers. Nutrients in the bloodstream from previous meals can be sufficient and the idea that a person needs to blast their body with protein and such after a workout is just wrong.

Name me one reputable sports nutritionist that doesn't think periworkout nutrition is important.
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post #66 of 165
1/20/09 at 12:00am
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Name me one reputable sports nutritionist that doesn't think periworkout nutrition is important.

I know: why (self declared).
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post #67 of 165
1/20/09 at 12:11am
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Originally Posted by Eason View Post
Upset on the internet I'm not the one posting paragraph after paragraph of fantasy flames trying to make myself feel better. Isn't it time for you to pretend to work out?


You're so fucking delusional, there's a reason you're the joke of this forum.

Yawn! Your ignorance astounds me.
I have no interest in dealing with all your incoherent train of thought and insults. Yawn!
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post #68 of 165
1/20/09 at 12:24am
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It is straight and you're a fool.

Deadlift is very anthropometrically dependent and people of different heights and genders will lift differently. There's an optimal joint angle and it's not the same for everyone.



If he actually said it had to be after a workout, then he's wrong and dumb. Digestion doesn't stop and start around working out.

I don't understand why people think a workout is some kind of isolated entity that changes the body. Everything done -- eating, drinking, shitting, walking, etc. engages so many different parts of the body that they all have an effect. When someone starts talking about hard and fast rules for weight loss/gain or strength/speed or what have you they always end up looking like fools because they can't see the forest for the trees.

The post-workout window is a timeframe in which in the body recovers. Nutrients in the bloodstream from previous meals can be sufficient and the idea that a person needs to blast their body with protein and such after a workout is just wrong.

OMG! You mean there is no difference after I run an ultra marathon and after I run after the bus? You mean I can just eat an apple after both occasions and that is sufficient for me to recover and improve my ultra marathon timing?

Do you know what is depleted in your body after an ultra marathon, a 1,000 metres freestyle and a tough 1 hour gym session? Do you know what you need to take to replenish those?

If you say there is no difference, and you can eat what you ordinarily eat, then you are a goddamn fool and danger to this forum.
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post #69 of 165
1/20/09 at 12:26am
Personally I like to work out on on empty stomach (I want blood going to my muscles & not my stomach during a workout.) Afterwards I'm ready for a meal and since I'm more thirsty than hungry I usually opt for a pint of raw juice with mixed with protein powder.

Back to the original question "Should I drink 3 glasses of milk instead of a whey drink?" I think moderation in all things is important. If you feel that your total daily intake of milk (and the calories obtained from such) is not excessive then go for it. Also consider raw milk if you can find it.
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post #70 of 165
1/20/09 at 12:29am
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Originally Posted by lefty View Post
But on a more practical terms, it's pretty hard for most to workout aggressively after a heavy meal or any meal for that matter. Given that I'll need cals at some point in the day, post WO seems like a reasonable good time to do take in a fair amount - even if that reason is a psychological reward for my hard work.

Most guys over think the fuck out of WO nutrition - blame JB and t-nation - and would see better results if they just worked harder. They don't need fine-tuned nutrition. They just need food.

lefty


No my little munchkin. If your post workout meals consists of donuts, coke lite and grits, you will look like, erm well, you?

There is no need to calibrate your diet or overthink it. Just plenty of protein from meat sources, some carbs to process it and some veggies will do. Repeat process.
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post #71 of 165
1/20/09 at 12:44am
beasty, you still here?

When you PM'd me asking for advice on how a young BB could make a few extra bucks, I thought I hooked you up. I know that Japanese anal eel porn looks nasty, but trust me those Japanese fellows will pay plenty to watch a young buck like you squirm.

Do itasshimashita, ぼんくら.

lefty
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post #72 of 165
1/20/09 at 1:01am
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Originally Posted by why View Post
Do you understand what diabetes is and how it relates to insulin? Do you understand why juicing bodybuilders use insulin recreationally? It's all tied together. Insulin sensitivity and release varies a lot between individuals and the idea of 'putting protein into the muscle' and such is nonsense. Strength isn't totally reliant on that and realistically neither is hypertrophy. A regular insulin release is good enough for growth and constant carb-loading is not only unnecessary but way overrated. If you disagree, do a test for yourself and see how much growth can occur on a totally ketogenic diet.

I know exactly what post-workout nutrition is and I've already explained everything I can regarding how it works and why it works. Continually restating the same points you yourself do not understand will not change science, so it might be best just to change your mind.

As for me: after a workout I usually answer emails or take a shower. Sometimes I relax a little bit and mess around on this forum. I eat when I feel I need to or when I get hungry.
Yes, to both.

Is it possible for you stay on topic?

You stated that post-workout nutrition is useless, and I disagreed. I'd challenge you to find one sports nutritionist who echoes your beliefs. At the very least, a study?
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post #73 of 165
1/20/09 at 1:16am
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Originally Posted by Titleist View Post
Yes, to both. Is it possible for you stay on topic? You stated that post-workout nutrition is useless, and I disagreed. I'd challenge you to find one sports nutritionist who echoes your beliefs. At the very least, a study?
I never said it was useless. Quit reading what isn't there. You have a severe tendency to only see black or white and any shade of grey in between somehow fades or darkens to one of the poles. The fact that you don't see my entire post as on topic just demonstrate further that you have no concept or clue of what the 'post-workout window' actually is so you just regurgitate what someone else has said and think that by constant repetition you'll win an e-argument. If that's your goal, fine, I hope you feel satisfied despite knowledge in absentia. And science doesn't give a shit about credibility so stop trying to use it.
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post #74 of 165
1/20/09 at 1:38am
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Originally Posted by lance konami View Post
It shows.
I'm trying my best. The camera's not perfect but it'll do I guess. I sent SoCal some hotter pics too.
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post #75 of 165
1/20/09 at 1:54am
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Wow, I didn't except 5 pages from my question. So here's what we've got... Milk has extra calories and I need to be mindful of that. Whey truly is overpriced (60% increase since 2006). Whey can take advantage of the post workout supposed replenish period. Whey gives gas (from experience, today for instance). I can handle the taste of whey even though I don't like it, but I can't handle this gas in public. I only had one scoop today and I've gone through tubs of this stuff before so it's not foreign to my body. It's a clean whey too. Is there a way to counter this? From my question new questions arise. Should I really not eat before a workout because blood won't go to my muscles? I heard something like this regarding weightloss, but I'm doing lifting, not cardio. Still applies?
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