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he was only doing a 12 hour refeed iirc. wacky science is fine until 5-8% imo depending on genetics. not so much past that, but of course AAS can help if you're to the level where you'd benefit from it. I'm not even close unfortunately edit: u can get lower w/o help but it's hard as hell and wasting is even more of an issue.

will revisit some low-dose "supplementation" after week 8 of this. refeed is over in 1 hr. i more bowl of ice cream is suppose. still fell like today's events are going to leave me fat

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still fell like today's events are going to leave me fat

I know that feeling all too well. I just completed my first week of training for the triathlon, so I figured I'd have a cheat meal...but now it's like 'ZOMG don't eat that, you'll get fat!!!1!'

For ****'s sake, shut up, brain!

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will revisit some low-dose "supplementation" after week 8 of this. refeed is over in 1 hr. i more bowl of ice cream is suppose. still fell like today's events are going to leave me fat

Don't worry about it. I had chinese food, a few beers, a few shots of sake, a few shots of blue label, some mint chocolate irish cream and dammit i'm feeling good. If I can do all that (and we all know how obsessive I get) and not be bothered by it, don't sweat the ice cream after a week of perfect eating.

Seriously Mr. Kunk, you'll be fine. Yes I'm still a little drunk...

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I know that feeling all too well. I just completed my first week of training for the triathlon, so I figured I'd have a cheat meal...but now it's like 'ZOMG don't eat that, you'll get fat!!!1!'

For ****'s sake, shut up, brain!

You're training for a triathlon son. Don't worry! If you're training hard and whatever you'll be fine. Burning cals like a mofo. I have a relative who does them and runs/bikes/swim several hours per week and doesn't really watch what he eats - he'll eat healthy most of the time but doesn't sweat it if he has a cookie every now and then. He's quite a bit leaner than I am right now as well...

Happy Chinese New Year everyone! If only I was chinese it would mean more... whatever I had a good night

The rational portion of my brain knows I'll be fine, that the calories plus a rest day are a good idea.

Then there's the portion of my brain that remembers being fat growing up. I hate that portion because it's a whiny little *****.

Question from a noob on protein supps. In the past I've done Isopure, these days trying Muscle Milk because I like the taste, 30 - 40 g / day post workout or late evening on rest days. But the dehydration for me has always been really bothersome, to the point where I stop using them despite the great (for me almost instant) gains. Does the body eventually work through this? I do increase hydration significantly but still feel gross with cotton-mouth and dry nose and lips when I'm on the supps. Thanks very much for a great thread!

Originally Posted by JoelF

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Question from a noob on protein supps. In the past I've done Isopure, these days trying Muscle Milk because I like the taste, 30 - 40 g / day post workout or late evening on rest days. But the dehydration for me has always been really bothersome, to the point where I stop using them despite the great (for me almost instant) gains. Does the body eventually work through this? I do increase hydration significantly but still feel gross with cotton-mouth and dry nose and lips when I'm on the supps. Thanks very much for a great thread!

I'm not a fan of muscle milk. Too sweet for me, pretty high in fat (yeah I know they're MCTs - some of them. MCTs don't have a whole lot of benefit for me though because I eat carbs; they don' thave the added "benefits" of fish oil/flax seed/etc.), doesn't sit well with me (weak stomach as mentioned), and I generally just don't look nearly as good when I drink them as a staple. Also IMO Iron content is too high for the protein doses I recommend (<-- this is the only real problem I have with it. 3 shakes + vitamin + whatever you get from foods = too much. 3 shakes alone give 105% RDA. Fine for women because of their periods, not so fine for men for extended periods of time.)

Anyway rant over

I am a bit confused with the dehydration thing. I don't quite understand how a protein powder could do that. I get dry nose/lips/mouth especially right now because of the weather. Dry lips might be attributed to that protein "film" you can get after drinking something.

here are a few guesses, none of which may be right but they're the first things that come to mind:
1. Seasonal - if it's just dryer outside and you happen to decide to put on weight in the winter. i.e. the dehydration is caused by timing and not the protein.
2. Do you work out harder when you take protein? More calories -> more energy; are you consciously or subconsciously putting forth more effort and thus sweating more & losing more fluids?

Is it just muscle milk or did you have the same problem with the isopure or any other supplement? Sorry if it seems like I'm being pedantic - I'm just trying to see if there are possibly any other factors. I can't say I've ever heard of anyone becoming dehydrated solely from taking a protein supplement. Are you taking anything else? thermogenic/diuretic?

p.s. did they really discontinue taraxatone? that makes me a very, very sad little man.

Did you get a chance to read up on IF yet Noir?

i feel pretty bloated after the refeed and haven't ingested more than 10g carbs today

thinking i may go 16-18 days w/out refeed now and supplement with glycerol and a bit of malodextrin when i'm flat and feeling crappy. will wait til a full crash for the refeed perhaps.

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You should check into it. Here's some good stuff to read Meal Frequency: How many meals per day should you eat?
Hey this is JC from the site mentioned. Thanx for sharing the link.

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Did you get a chance to read up on IF yet Noir?

I'm afraid I haven't. I've been pretty busy the last few days with the gym, women, and chinese new year. Tonight and tomorrow I have to get some homework knocked out, but it's certainly on my to-do list.

but I certainly want to let you know that haven't forgot and I promise I'll get to it soon. I'm actually interested in it and sorry I haven't made time yet.

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i feel pretty bloated after the refeed and haven't ingested more than 10g carbs today

thinking i may go 16-18 days w/out refeed now and supplement with glycerol and a bit of malodextrin when i'm flat and feeling crappy. will wait til a full crash for the refeed perhaps.

Be careful if you do that. You might want to try going 13/14 days first and then doing a refeed instead of the whole 16-18. I'm sure you know about carbs knocking you out of ketosis so you'll absolutely have to watch the intake if you were to use malto & glycerol and make sure you don't break whatever your threshold is.

You should expect to feel bloated and kind of miserable. That's why I said I'd be interested to see how you're feeling by Tuesday You're throwing your body into this constant state of flux and it helps to keep fat loss from stagnating.

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I'm not a fan of muscle milk. Too sweet for me, pretty high in fat (yeah I know they're MCTs - some of them. MCTs don't have a whole lot of benefit for me though because I eat carbs; they don' thave the added "benefits" of fish oil/flax seed/etc.), doesn't sit well with me (weak stomach as mentioned), and I generally just don't look nearly as good when I drink them as a staple. Also IMO Iron content is too high for the protein doses I recommend (<-- this is the only real problem I have with it. 3 shakes + vitamin + whatever you get from foods = too much. 3 shakes alone give 105% RDA. Fine for women because of their periods, not so fine for men for extended periods of time.)

Anyway rant over

I am a bit confused with the dehydration thing. I don't quite understand how a protein powder could do that. I get dry nose/lips/mouth especially right now because of the weather. Dry lips might be attributed to that protein "film" you can get after drinking something.

here are a few guesses, none of which may be right but they're the first things that come to mind:
1. Seasonal - if it's just dryer outside and you happen to decide to put on weight in the winter. i.e. the dehydration is caused by timing and not the protein.
2. Do you work out harder when you take protein? More calories -> more energy; are you consciously or subconsciously putting forth more effort and thus sweating more & losing more fluids?

Is it just muscle milk or did you have the same problem with the isopure or any other supplement? Sorry if it seems like I'm being pedantic - I'm just trying to see if there are possibly any other factors. I can't say I've ever heard of anyone becoming dehydrated solely from taking a protein supplement. Are you taking anything else? thermogenic/diuretic?

p.s. did they really discontinue taraxatone? that makes me a very, very sad little man.

Thanks for the reply. The dehydration is something I've noticed whenever I've used protein, now with the Muscle Milk, previously with Isopure and some other protein I can't remember the name of. If you do a Google on "protein supplement dehydration" lots of stuff pops up so it's not just me or my imagination. But I guess it's not really that common if you haven't heard of it. Not taking anything else that would cause this and also don't sweat intensely unless of course I am doing cardio. I do tend to be hypersensitive to all kinds of stuff anyway. But I make great gains with the protein so will try and stay with it.

Tonight's dinner. And how exciting!! Spinach, tuna, 3 eggs, mozarella cheese, and a few tsp's worth of light italian. I've been bad recently and am definitely going to have to step up my game.

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Thanks for the reply. The dehydration is something I've noticed whenever I've used protein, now with the Muscle Milk, previously with Isopure and some other protein I can't remember the name of. If you do a Google on "protein supplement dehydration" lots of stuff pops up so it's not just me or my imagination. But I guess it's not really that common if you haven't heard of it. Not taking anything else that would cause this and also don't sweat intensely unless of course I am doing cardio. I do tend to be hypersensitive to all kinds of stuff anyway. But I make great gains with the protein so will try and stay with it.
Ahh okay. It hinted at higher protein requiring higher fluid intakes to compensate. I was just trying to rationalize it, not saying it was your imagination. Sorry if it came off that way How much water are you drinking? try to get at least a gallon a day if at all possible and see if it helps. I have no idea if supplementing electrolytes would make a difference, but try it and see. Amino Vital might work. I think you can find it in bottles in the grocery store or in a powder form if you want to mix it yourself. Like I said I have no idea, but I don't think it would hurt. Noir's Secret to fluid intake: Crystal Light. Not a whole lot in the stuff but 1 pitcher gets you halfway there. Most of the time I do 1/2gal of just water and a pitcher & a half of crystal light a day if I can. (roughly 1.25gal)

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Hey this is JC from the site mentioned. Thanx for sharing the link.

No problem. Would be curious to hear more of your thoughts on the subject as well.

Originally Posted by lance konami

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No problem. Would be curious to hear more of your thoughts on the subject as well.

alright not to be rude, but there is 17 pages worth. I checked the first post and it wasn't a specific question.. can you briefly update me on the question that was asked?