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post #31 of 42
Rayk - Vogel has been asked about frequently but nobody seems to have any firsthand experience with them - if you stop in their shop I'd love to hear your thoughts as it does seem to be a great deal. I continue to consider them but haven't made it down to their shop.
post #32 of 42
I've actually visited Vogel a couple of times these past weeks. I was waiting to make up my mind about them before posting anything, but I figure I'd give you what I have so far and ask for some input before proceeding. (1) Their store is divided into two areas on the ground floor. A somewhat cramped waiting room facing the street with a couple of seats, a cat, and a display of their shoes and boots, both equestrian and casual. They seem to have more models available than is shown on their web site. From here you can see the main work area where 2 or 3 people are, no doubt, in the process of making shoes. I intend to request a tour at my next visit. (2) As many hours as I have spent on this forum, and doing my own research, my ability to judge the quality of a shoe is still in its infancy. At this stage all I can say is that Vogel shoes remind me of Allen-Edmonds and Alden when it comes to the finish. This is not meant as a criticism since I happen to like both AE and Alden very much. Knowing that Vogels will be hand lasted and entirely hand made except for the stitching, puts them a step above. (3) When ordering boots, measurements are taken by a salesperson, and no custom last is created. The argument for this is that boots are much easier to fit and don't require the precise measurements a shoe might. This seems to make sense to me, but I'm curious to know what others think. (4) When ordering shoes, the last maker will be taking his own measurements. My understanding is that last is built from scratch, though I'm not certain that I can verify this. Customer lasts are stored in excess of 10 years. (5) The first pair of custom shoes takes 12 weeks for delivery. There are no fittings in between measuring and delivery. If there are fitting issues, they assure me that they will take care of it. (6) They are willing to make custom designs provided you bring samples or pictures. If I place an order with them, I believe I would keep the first pair fairly simple. I'm considering the Manchester, in fine pebble-grained black calfskin and a double leather sole. I may add a heel cap to give it a more rugged look in the back. This would not add to the cost. A more complex welt, however, would add $100-$150 to the price. (7) When requesting to see a swatch of pebble-grained leather I was offered something made by the Pebody Leather Co from the UK. I have no idea if this leather is of good quality and appreciate any opinions from readers regarding this company. They will also work with Shell Cordovan and exotics like snakeskin and alligator. I honestly can't find anything that raises red flags and says "do not order from these guys." Considering that the next option may be a good $2,000 more expensive, it's hard not to be tempted. The bang-for-the-buck factor seems extremely high in my opinion, and the fact that they are located only a few minutes from where I work means I can always stop by and voice complaints (or express my appreciation) in person. I plan on stopping by again this week, and if anyone has specific questions they would like to have answered, or think that I should ask for myself before coming to a decision, please let me know.
post #33 of 42
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(3) When ordering boots, measurements are taken by a salesperson, and no custom last is created. The argument for this is that boots are much easier to fit and don't require the precise measurements a shoe might. This seems to make sense to me, but I'm curious to know what others think.
This is actually the opposite of what I would have thought. Most shoes have laces, which can correct minor fitting problems; but boots (at least most boots) do not, so the fit has to be more perfect. Of course, Vogel mostly produces equestrian boots, and I suppose that fit is less of a consideration if you're going to be on the back of a horse than if you're on your feet.
post #34 of 42
Please remember to post us with your final decisions. If any of the shoe experts have some specific questions that would help to clarify the "true bespoke nature" of the Vogel shoes please post them so TimelessRider can ask I think several of us would greatly appreciate. Thanks.
post #35 of 42
Vogel's heritage is in custom equestrian boots, not "civilian" shoes. I considered Vogel, but decided against them. While their prices for shoes are reasonable, they're "suspiciously" reasonable for truly custom shoes. Spend the extra money and try Perry Ercolino, who makes true custom shoes.
post #36 of 42
Too late. I already placed an order this week. The measuring process was very simple consisting of outline of my feet while seated, 3 or 4 circumference measurements, and a few raised eyebrows at my apparently grossly mis-shapen right foot. Nothing like the process described on another forum. I certainly am not expecting an exquisite pair of shoes, simply a high-quality, durable pair of shoes that have excellent fit and are suitable for regular wear. Regarding Perry Ercolino and other high-end bespoke shoemakers that cost $2,500 to $4,500 a pair, I know that if I had gone straight to any one of them without trying Vogel, I would have this nagging feeling in the back of my mind whether my money was well-spent or not. My only regret is that I have no plans to stop by in Budapest and meet with Mr. Vass. Anyway, I'll post my comments and pics in app. 3 months.
post #37 of 42
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Too late. I already placed an order this week.
Good for you. I'll be very interested to see how they turn out. It's clear that Vogel isn't really in the same league as some of the high-end bespoke makers, but that doesn't mean that they don't turn out a quality product at a reasonable price. Alden shoes aren't in the same league as Edward Green, but that doesn't mean that you should avoid Alden shoes like the plague. I'm glad that you're acting as a guinea pig for Vogel so that I can find out just what kind of value they offer.
post #38 of 42
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I'm glad that you're acting as a guinea pig for Vogel so that I can find out just what kind of value they offer.
Glad to be of service.
post #39 of 42
Timeless - any update on your Vogel shoe order? How did they turn out? Thanks.
post #40 of 42
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Timeless - any update on your Vogel shoe order? How did they turn out? Thanks.
Last I heard, they're a behind schedule and they're still a couple of weeks from being ready. I'll keep you posted.
post #41 of 42
Timeless - I read this thread with great interest and just finished perusing Vogel's site for the first time.  They look like they have at least a couple of nice models and I would be VERY interested in hearing your take on the quality of the workmanship and the fit. As you said, they are no Cleverley, but if the fit is superb and the styling adequate or better, they seem like they'd be worth a shot, especially for their Jodhpurs..
post #42 of 42
See here for Vogel Shoes Topic.
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