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7 Fold Tie

post #1 of 16
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I went to see the 7 fold ties of Robert Talbott and I wasn't very impressed. The color and pattern of almost all of the dies were just very loud and strange. I then walk to bergdorf's and saw the Kition 7 folds. They looked a little nicer, but before I spend $200 on a tie, is the drape and spread of the tie that great?
post #2 of 16
$200? If you have to ask the price of a Kiton tie, don't buy it. Carlo Franco, on the other hand, are a bargain at $89 -- though that's still more than I'd usually spend on a tie (I'm a cheapskate). But if you normally spend $50 and up on a tie, go with Carlo Franco.
post #3 of 16
Not to be outdone, the Domenico Vacca/Attolini/Domenico Vacca (Varying names, depending on the day of the week) boutique in NY is currently selling 9-fold ties.  For me, less is more---Don't care much for 7-folds because the added thickness makes for a cumbersome, inelegant knot, and forget about making a decent dimple, although from just a construction and workmanship perspective, I can appreciate what goes into a well-made 7-fold tie.  Charvet ties, incidentally, make the most perfectly symmetrical, perfectly dimpled knot of any tie I've ever worn.  While the "bespoke" Marinella ties purchased recently (Yes, they do make bespoke ties, though entirely devoid of any practical advantages for most of us) are singularly beautiful, they fall short in the knot/dimple department.  I gotta get a hobby or something, way too much free time. Grayson
post #4 of 16
Largely agree with Grayson. I own several 7-folds and only one I like. In fact, having looked at over (I estimate) 300 7-folds from Kiton, Brioni, Bulgari, Ricci, Talbott et all over the past 10 years there is only one that I have fallen in love with and that is a recent Kiton that I bought that was modern and colourful. For me, they all seem to be so boring and conservative like something my grandfather would wear or what the board of directors would wear for their annual report photo. But the real reason I am not a fan is that you can never get a beautiful dimple they way you can with Charvet and Richard James (the two best for dimples IMO). And the thin end of the tie is always too wide for my liking.
post #5 of 16
Once or twice a year, Bergdorf Goodman runs a store-wide sale, when a wide choice of Charvet ties enjoy as much as a 70% discount, lowering prices from exhorbitant to merely expensive.     Grayson
post #6 of 16
anyone try the borelli 7-folds, i have heard that they are the best. i have never seen them anywhere though?
post #7 of 16
I'm partial to Borrelli, Bvlgari and Kiton 7-folds. They tie beautifully, and I find the colours and patterns to be exquisite. Would love to try Marinella sometime. koji
post #8 of 16
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Would love to try Marinella sometime.
I have one Marinella 7-fold (actually it's a double-four-fold). It's the only Marinella 7 or double-4 I've ever seen RTW. It's a heavy woven silk. Combine that with the double-4 construction and the substantial lining, and it ties a damned big knot. Spread collars only.
post #9 of 16
more or less a waste of money, something to buy if you truly appreciate the craftsmanship, knot is not necessarily bigger,than normal i have a few 7 fold kitons which knot fine, but IMHO a regular borelli,charvet etc,,, knot just as well, cost less, bottom line buy what you love chances are you will have spaghetti stains on it before the year is up at which point your friendly neighbourhood dry cleaner will be happy to ruin it for you, hence longevity not the key :-)
post #10 of 16
The typical $200 Kiton 7-fold may not be worth the money (and I find Kiton's patterns bland to boot). But Carlo Franco at $90-120 is an amazing bargain. May Carlo Franco ties are head and shoulders above anything else I own. I would caution against their Campagna line unless you are a purist for the true 7-fold. They are unlined and don't necessarily hold their shape well.
post #11 of 16
I've at least 50 seven folds and have concluded that a proper wool lining makes a necktie that knots and holds its shape better.
post #12 of 16
The most I've ever paid for a tie was 50 dollars (200 for even a 7 fold is quite ridiculous imo). koji
post #13 of 16
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anyone try the borelli 7-folds, i have heard that they are the best. i have never seen them anywhere though?
Ebay seller Jacoben had one that expired last night, i think. No one bought it so it will probably show up again. It was a really nice looking tie -- a blue pattern. I thought about buying it, but he had it as BIN only, for $99.
post #14 of 16
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Carlo Franco, on the other hand, are a bargain at $89 -- though that's still more than I'd usually spend on a tie (I'm a cheapskate). But if you normally spend $50 and up on a tie, go with Carlo Franco.
I couldn't argue with a straight face that a Kiton tie at retail is a good value, but Kiton ties and Carlo Franco ties really are different animals. I've seen some woven Kiton ties, but Kiton is most successful when they stick to printed twill (verrrrrry heavy printed twill. Carlo Franco ties are all wovens because that's what Chuck prefers. (And if you really like Kiton ties, you can usually wait until the end of the season and pick them up for $80 or less at the various sales.) As for the Talbott seven folds, well, some are more successful than others. All that I've seen are made from incredibly intricate woven silk. Some of the patterns work. Some of them don't. I think that they're magnificent ties, though.
post #15 of 16
I have a Carlo Franco seven fold and it produces a beautiful dimpled knot. Only surpassed among my ties by a Carlo Franco double four-fold in cashmere and silk.
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