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post #76 of 105
Why doesn't he address the fact he bought the second one 3 weeks later?
And come on, if I was a 42 long in RLPL, I would have bought a 42 long and not a 44 long...right?
I sell everything with measurements, this was a side deal and you're right Pen Vic, it's not only the duty of the seller but the buyer bought the jackets within 30 mins after the phone conversation. I guess I should have told him the measurements but seeing we've done business before I just figured the first one fit him just fine?

My fault?
post #77 of 105
I've sold 4 suits through this forum over the past 3 months, and have always listed both the tag and actual measurements. If I just listed the tag, and knew that I had the suit altered but didn't disclose, then I am at fault. For example, I purchased and Alexander McQueen suit 42R new and had it altered to fit me. So, the size changed from a 42R to around 41R. Pants were also altered. I listed the suit actual stated size, but also disclosed that it was altered and worn once, and once only. I only sold the suit because it's black, and wearing black in Texas is not good for your health. The poing being, full disclosure should have been posted in the sale thread. And if the seller knew the suit was altered, he/she should accept the suit back and offer a refund.

Members of this thread tend to be fair, honest, and trust worthy. If that trust is broken, then we all hurt as buyer or sellers. There is no true recourse for a bad experience other than creating a thread for others to read. So, integrity is key. If it's an honest mistake, the seller should still issue a refund.

I made a mistake in measuring an Ike Behar Blue Herringbone that was new. The buyer notified me, and he was correct in his measurements. For the past few months we have stayed in touch because I may post a shirt he wants to exchange for. I agreed to this option, and it works for both of us.

-tony
post #78 of 105
Thread Starter 
It is true, measurements should have been talked about. I could not agree more. I DO NOT think this is all his fault. My issue is his lack of ownership and responsibility. Would anyone here, in good conscience, sell a 44 long that had been altered a suit size down without telling the buyer? Would you not try and help the buyer out when the matter was so discovered? This externalization of blame appears to be a pattern.
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Originally Posted by rkbedel View Post
Why doesn't he address the fact he bvoought the second one 3 weeks later? And come on, if I was a 42 long in RLPL, I would have bought a 42 long and not a 44 long...right? I sell everything with measurements, this was a side deal and you're right Pen Vic, it's not only the duty of the seller but the buyer bought the jackets within 30 mins after the phone conversation. I guess I should have told him the measurements but seeing we've done business before I just figured the first one fit him just fine? My failt?
post #79 of 105
Thread Starter 
Well put. I would do the same, and have, as a seller.

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Originally Posted by heard546 View Post
I've sold 4 suits through this forum over the past 3 months, and have always listed both the tag and actual measurements. If I just listed the tag, and knew that I had the suit altered but didn't disclose, then I am at fault. For example, I purchased and Alexander McQueen suit 42R new and had it altered to fit me. So, the size changed from a 42R to around 41R. Pants were also altered. I listed the suit actual stated size, but also disclosed that it was altered and worn once, and once only. I only sold the suit because it's black, and wearing black in Texas is not good for your health. The poing being, full disclosure should have been posted in the sale thread. And if the seller knew the suit was altered, he/she should accept the suit back and offer a refund.

Members of this thread tend to be fair, honest, and trust worthy. If that trust is broken, then we all hurt as buyer or sellers. There is no true recourse for a bad experience other than creating a thread for others to read. So, integrity is key. If it's an honest mistake, the seller should still issue a refund.

I made a mistake in measuring an Ike Behar Blue Herringbone that was new. The buyer notified me, and he was correct in his measurements. For the past few months we have stayed in touch because I may post a shirt he wants to exchange for. I agreed to this option, and it works for both of us.

-tony
post #80 of 105
Your rating on ebay is not in question, or subject of the topic/issue. The fact that the suit was altered, and you knew, but didn't disclose this information is the issue. Simply put, what you did is unethical and distroys the integrity of our forum. We hold each other to a high standard, and it's being tarnished with unethical members.

Do the right thing, and keep our integrity high and offer a refund.

-tony
post #81 of 105
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Originally Posted by rkbedel View Post
Why doesn't he address the fact he bought the second one 3 weeks later?
And come on, if I was a 42 long in RLPL, I would have bought a 42 long and not a 44 long...right?
I sell everything with measurements, this was a side deal and you're right Pen Vic, it's not only the duty of the seller but the buyer bought the jackets within 30 mins after the phone conversation. I guess I should have told him the measurements but seeing we've done business before I just figured the first one fit him just fine?

My fault?

Its your fault for selling a suit altered to a size 42L as the tag sized 44L. would it have been hard to say "tagged as a 44L but has been altered and now fits like a 42L"

sounds like the OP fits into 44L perfectly and that is what he was expecting to get when he purchased the 44L from you. Little did he know it was altered to be 2 sized smaller.
post #82 of 105
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Originally Posted by rkbedel View Post
I guess I should have told him the measurements but seeing we've done business before I just figured the first one fit him just fine? My fault?
Partly yes, partly no... imo. The issue then becomes why not try and work out a solution? Why the flat... "it's you problem buddy" attitude?
post #83 of 105
Open a dispute with paypal, and explain your situation.

-tony
post #84 of 105
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Originally Posted by Stylish Pilot View Post
Its your fault for selling a suit altered to a size 42L as the tag sized 44L. would it have been hard to say "tagged as a 44L but has been altered and now fits like a 42L"

sounds like the OP fits into 44L perfectly and that is what he was expecting to get when he purchased the 44L from you. Little did he know it was altered to be 2 sized smaller.

1. it was one size smaller.
2. RLPL drakes fits slimmer than RLPL Savile Row, which is in term slimmer than Madison cut. (from my experience)

Comparing tagged size alone would not reveal any truth to which suit has been altered more.
post #85 of 105
mccvi, can you please explain what prompted you to buy the second suit if the first one did not fit? Is there something else we're missing here?
post #86 of 105
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by vitaminc View Post
1. it was one size smaller.
2. RLPL drakes fits slimmer than RLPL Savile Row, which is in term slimmer than Madison cut. (from my experience)

Comparing tagged size alone would not reveal any truth to which suit has been altered more.

Drake is marked "custom fit" and advertised as such. Savile, I believe, is not made by St. Andrews. Anyway, measurements is the point. A 44 chest should be a 44 chest (or close enough), not a 42 (and a slim 42 at that).
post #87 of 105
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by celery View Post
mccvi, can you please explain what prompted you to buy the second suit if the first one did not fit? Is there something else we're missing here?
Absolutely, I told Ryan the first item (suit) was small... and took it to the tailor to see if it could be remedied. My intent was to, at my cost, help out the buying/selling process. The second jacket was not mentioned to be altered, and I was told it was larger (along with the Isaia coat, which is in fact larger). When I received the second item (jacket) I realized it was heavily altered and, that day - as I had returned from the holiday break- called the tailor who told me the first suit had been altered to a 42l. That the alteration was major, in his words, not minor, and could not be fixed. That day I informed Ryan. I got no reply. When he did get in touch with me, he informed me it was my problem not his. I just wish someone would have said, this is marked 44l but has been significantly altered. In the future I now know to ask. I trusted Ryan as he is very friendly and even offered to send some suits for me to try, unpaid for, as he wanted to sell them. The tenor of our conversations engendered trust, but when it came time to own up to a mistake (obviously mutually made) I am the one who pays. Life. Personally, I still think he is a nice guy, but one who does not want to assume some blame and take some responsibility. It would have been easy to remedy as I was willing to meet him half way.
post #88 of 105
Dang what a mess. I guess the seller is slightly more to blame, but this is really a toss up imo.
post #89 of 105
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Originally Posted by gdl203 View Post
It's If measurements are not posted, caveat emptor - IMO, it's the buyer's responsibility to inquire about the condition of a used item.


I somewhat disagree with you on the caveat emptor part. We all come to this forum to share our satorial interests. Just a few weeks ago, I met a very kind forum member (amerikajinda) who went out of his way, drove to my house at 7PM, to make sure that a W.W Chan suit he sold, fits me. We help (sometimes in tough love way), support, and challenge each other. Some may view the SF as a brotherhood even. I don't think caveat emptor should be the first thing on our mind when we are trying to built trusts and friendships on SF. Then again, the douchbag seller was kicked-off the SF before, so my point of view is irrelevant . Andy
post #90 of 105
If I sell a 44L, and it is altered in any way to make it fit like a 42L, 46L, or like anything other than a 44L, I would explicitly state so. No matter if someone had bought another 44L from me and liked it, didn't like it. Is it the same garment? No, so it should be treated as a stand alone sale and everything - EVERYTHING - should be listed. Especially if there were major alterations. This is on the seller 100%.
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