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post #61 of 105
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Originally Posted by rkbedel View Post
I have read everyone’s post and now everyone can hear from me. I sold the first suit to Mark after he'd responded to my posting for a RLPL 44L suit. After the sale I never heard back from him for several weeks. Once I reposted another piece for sale on SF (Isaia Car Coat) did I hear back from him with interest for the Isaia. While in conversation I told the buyer I had another RLPL jacket for sale. The RLPL was marked as a 44 long like the same as the suit I sold him earlier. What the buyer has not expressed to everyone on this forum is that he bought the second jacket 3-4 weeks after buying the first RLPL 44 long. So after he went to his tailor and was told that the jacket wouldn't be able to be let out to fit his chest he contacted me almost 2 months after the first suit went out looking for a refund.

The RLPL was tagged and sold as a 44 long. All USED/PRE-OWNED suits have some alterations done to them. I was never asked for measurements by the buyer. At no point did I secretly hide the true measurements of the jackets.

And?

Were the two suits from the same previous owner with the same measurements?
post #62 of 105
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Originally Posted by rkbedel View Post
I have read everyone’s post and now everyone can hear from me. I sold the first suit to Mark after he'd responded to my posting for a RLPL 44L suit. After the sale I never heard back from him for several weeks. Once I reposted another piece for sale on SF (Isaia Car Coat) did I hear back from him with interest for the Isaia. While in conversation I told the buyer I had another RLPL jacket for sale. The RLPL was marked as a 44 long like the same as the suit I sold him earlier. What the buyer has not expressed to everyone on this forum is that he bought the second jacket 3-4 weeks after buying the first RLPL 44 long. So after he went to his tailor and was told that the jacket wouldn't be able to be let out to fit his chest he contacted me almost 2 months after the first suit went out looking for a refund. The RLPL was tagged and sold as a 44 long. All USED/PRE-OWNED suits have some alterations done to them. I was never asked for measurements by the buyer. At no point did I secretly hide the true measurements of the jackets.
I am glad Ryan has chosen to respond. To answer his claims. I told him the suit was not fitting, but took it directly to my tailor to see what could be done (in a good faith effort to help out both of us). Ryan sold me a second item which I received four weeks after he said he sent it (claiming it was sent to the wrong party first, that it was at the dry cleaners, etc..). The DAY I returned from holiday vacation I received the jacket he sent, spoke with my tailor about the other suit, and called/e-mailed him immediately informing him that these 44 longs were so significantly altered to be unwearable by anyone but a 42 long. He did not respond for an additional two e-mails, one call, and a week passed. I offered to take responsibility for the first suit, and just asked for a refund on the second since this was told to me to be a 44 long straight out. He said no go. 44long on the tag is a 44l, regardless of alterations that were not disclosed - this was the message he explicitly said to me. I let the "supposed" dry cleaning go, the weeks of delays, and poor communication. But I won't get fleeced, paypal claims have been put forward.
post #63 of 105
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Originally Posted by leon12 View Post
I say selling something as a tagged size when you know it has been altered is shady and I wouldn't want to buy from that person. I vote for outing..

+1
post #64 of 105
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by sloane3 View Post
And?

Were the two suits from the same previous owner with the same measurements?

No, in fact, the jacket was altered even more than the suit.
post #65 of 105
NOT TRUE!

The jacket and suit were done at the same time.
post #66 of 105
The suits were tailored by the same tailor and finished at the same time. It is the duty of the buyer to asked if not stated the measurements of any piece.

I always post measurements when I sell items on SF. It just happen that I didn't have these pieces up for sale until I told the buyer I was thinking of selling the suit and jackets. At that point in time he asked for pictures and not measurements and after the pictures were sent he agreed to the price at hand and the transaction were complete.
post #67 of 105
tricky tricky, on one hand the seller should have provided the measurements knowing its a second-hand OTR suit/jacket; on the other hand, the buyer should NOT assumed all 44L fits the same... imo both party were at fault... b&s forum is not a retail store front, returning would be near impossible... p.s., not all Purple Label are cut the same. there are different models, such as Drakes, Madison and Savile Row. even with the exact same model and same size, manufacturing differences are inevitable.
post #68 of 105
Please do us all a favor.
If you intend on selling on here again, please do not post with out any measurements?

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Originally Posted by rkbedel View Post
I have read everyone's post and now everyone can hear from me. I sold the first suit to Mark after he'd responded to my posting for a RLPL 44L suit. After the sale I never heard back from him for several weeks. Once I reposted another piece for sale on SF (Isaia Car Coat) did I hear back from him with interest for the Isaia. While in conversation I told the buyer I had another RLPL jacket for sale. The RLPL was marked as a 44 long like the same as the suit I sold him earlier. What the buyer has not expressed to everyone on this forum is that he bought the second jacket 3-4 weeks after buying the first RLPL 44 long. So after he went to his tailor and was told that the jacket wouldn't be able to be let out to fit his chest he contacted me almost 2 months after the first suit went out looking for a refund.

The RLPL was tagged and sold as a 44 long. All USED/PRE-OWNED suits have some alterations done to them. I was never asked for measurements by the buyer. At no point did I secretly hide the true measurements of the jackets.
post #69 of 105
Please check all my postings. I do put the measurement down. It was only because he'd asked what eles I had in my closet did he offer to purchase my two RLPL.

I almost always put down the measurments. Please check!

But what would you do if someone asked what you had? what's your price? and agreed to the buy?
post #70 of 105
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Originally Posted by rkbedel View Post
The suits were tailored by the same tailor and finished at the same time. It is the duty of the buyer to asked if not stated the measurements of any piece.

I always post measurements when I sell items on SF. It just happen that I didn't have these pieces up for sale until I told the buyer I was thinking of selling the suit and jackets. At that point in time he asked for pictures and not measurements and after the pictures were sent he agreed to the price at hand and the transaction were complete.

Sounds like rubbish to me. How extensive were the alterations? You don't seem to address this. If they were as extensive as the OP makes out, then it is entirely misleading to advertise them as 44L and leave it up to the buyer to work out that the measurements were in fact for a 42L. In those circumstances, saying 'it is the duty of the buyer to ask if not stated the measurements' is plainly wrong IMO.
post #71 of 105
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Originally Posted by antirabbit View Post
Please do us all a favor. If you intend on selling on here again, please do not post with out any measurements?
I see where he's coming from - he's saying he didn't even sell it on here, it was a side transaction. Whatever man, it's a toss up. I can't believe people pay that much for used RLPL btw.
post #72 of 105
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Originally Posted by penguin vic View Post
Sounds like rubbish to me. How extensive were the alterations? You don't seem to address this. If they were as extensive as the OP makes out, then it is entirely misleading to advertise them as 44L and leave it up to the buyer to work out that the measurements were in fact for a 42L. In those circumstances, saying 'it is the duty of the buyer to ask if not stated the measurements' is plainly wrong IMO.
Why doesn't the buyer post pictures with measuring tape showing the difference. That should make things clearer.
post #73 of 105
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by rkbedel View Post
Please check all my postings. I do put the measurement down. It was only because he'd asked what eles I had in my closet did he offer to purchase my two RLPL. I almost always put down the measurments. Please check! But what would you do if someone asked what you had? what's your price? and agreed to the buy?
Mr. Bedel asked ME if I was interested in this jacket, not the other way around. He said he had a 44 long jacket for sale. I said 44 long? He said yes. Period. I should not have taken him at his word.
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Originally Posted by penguin vic View Post
Sounds like rubbish to me. How extensive were the alterations? You don't seem to address this. If they were as extensive as the OP makes out, then it is entirely misleading to advertise them as 44L and leave it up to the buyer to work out that the measurements were in fact for a 42L. In those circumstances, saying 'it is the duty of the buyer to ask if not stated the measurements' is plainly wrong IMO.
Amen to that.
post #74 of 105
Thread Starter 
I just wish a middle ground could have been worked out. I am confident that most buyers here would not have put up with as much as I did, and that most sellers would have been more responsible. For future dealings with rkbedel, caveat emptor. For me, I will always now ask for detailed measurements. FYI, for those reading, paypal does not cover "goods" in terms of quality, just confirmation of receipt. So, again, buyer beware.
post #75 of 105
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Originally Posted by antirabbit View Post
Please do us all a favor.
If you intend on selling on here again, please do not post with out any measurements?

That seems to be the very issue. It wasn't posted.

The seller mentioned to the buyer that he had another RLPL 44L the same as the previous one he had already purchased.

At this point, the buyer had already purchased one suit and for whatever reason didn't complain it seems, but instead told the seller that he was going to take it to a tailor. Then he bought another suit tagged the same as the previous one he bought. Now the buyer wants a refund on just the second suit he bought and is willing to take the loss on the first suit.

It seems that neither suit fits . . . but the seller had no reason to believe that the buyer didn't want the suit based on the first suit not fitting either and the buyer's resolve to have it tailored.

When you buy a suit and it doesn't fit, you either return it or see if you can have it altered (right away). What you don't do, is buy another suit that is similar to the one you just bought without having sorted the first one.
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