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post #46 of 105
If he buys a used suit he should ask if the previous owner cut a giant piece of fabric out of the back in the shape of a star too right? There are minor alterations like the sides and the sleeves and the length of the pants that everyone expects. I don't know how someone sells a used suit without giving those measurements and I don't know how someone buys a used suit without asking for them. Then there are ridiculous alterations like going from a 44 to a 42; that should be made clear in a listing. I don't see why you can't pay for the costs of shipping it both ways and he can't take it back and re-sell it, making everyone happy.
post #47 of 105
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Originally Posted by slycedbred View Post
i completely disagree. when selling a pre-owned suit, it is the sellers complete responsibility to post accurate measurements and inform of alterations.

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I don't agree with you on the latter. I think we hold each other to higher standards than e-Bay. I would fully expect a seller to acknowledge that the suit was altered a full size, even if measurements galore were listed.

It's fine to disagree with me - it's just my opinion but - seriously - who here wears suits without altering them?? By definition, a used suit is altered, right? If measurements are not posted, caveat emptor - IMO, it's the buyer's responsibility to inquire about the condition of a used item.

I agree it's great when sellers provide measurements on their own (and tons of pictures) but I don't think they have to. I've seen posts here where stuff gets sold witha one line description and not a single picture. If buyers are OK with that - fine with me.

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Then there are ridiculous alterations like going from a 44 to a 42
Huh? that's a pretty normal alteration - take sides in a couple inches... ?
post #48 of 105
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Originally Posted by gdl203 View Post
It's fine to disagree with me - it's just my opinion but - seriously - who here wears suits without altering them?? By definition, a used suit is altered, right? If measurements are not posted, caveat emptor - IMO, it's the buyer's responsibility to inquire about the condition of a used item. I agree it's great when sellers provide measurements on their own (and tons of pictures) but I don't think they have to. I've seen posts here where stuff gets sold witha one line description and not a single picture. If buyers are OK with that - fine with me.
I am agreeing with this post as well. Having been burned I would advocate getting measurements, lots of them, and accurate measurements at that. I like when i see those pics of people holding the ruler or measuring tape to the garment, as measurements are tricky.
post #49 of 105
I think people should "guarantee" their measurements - if they're off by x amount - be it 2 inches be it 6, depending on your comfortability level, the clothing should be returnable...
Buyers can't try on the stuff to make sure it fits...you should be responsible for your screw ups!
post #50 of 105
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Originally Posted by gdl203 View Post
It's fine to disagree with me - it's just my opinion but - seriously - who here wears suits without altering them?? By definition, a used suit is altered, right? If measurements are not posted, caveat emptor - IMO, it's the buyer's responsibility to inquire about the condition of a used item.

I agree it's great when sellers provide measurements on their own (and tons of pictures) but I don't think they have to. I've seen posts here where stuff gets sold witha one line description and not a single picture. If buyers are OK with that - fine with me.


Huh? that's a pretty normal alteration - take sides in a couple inches... ?

that's all well and fine, but stating that a certain suit is "xyz size" has implications for certain measurements... This, I think, is the biggest issue. And while those with brains may alter their garments after buying them, I am willing to bet that many (even on SF) don't alter their things considerably.
post #51 of 105
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Originally Posted by whusurdadi View Post
I think people should "guarantee" their measurements - if they're off by x amount - be it 2 inches be it 6, depending on your comfortability level, the clothing should be returnable... Buyers can't try on the stuff to make sure it fits...you should be responsible for your screw ups!
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Originally Posted by emerckx View Post
Seller should refund. FWIW, this is why I always use a card when paying--found out recently you can do this via PP. Some sellers might think it's a pain or feel threatened, and it might be abused by some buyers. But there's just no other way to protect yourself when doing business with strangers online. If I were this buyer and in this position, I'd order a chargeback pronto. Problem with measurements is, half the time they're inaccurate. And no, I don't have many posts, but I got banned under my previous name for allegedly spamming someone. Let's just say some folks on this forum have awful thin skins and no sense of humor.
I wish the seller would see it this way... anyway, hopefully Mr. Bedel (rkbedel) will speak for himself in this forum (I have e-mailed him and he knows about this thread). While he is a great prevaricator, he should speak truthfully if he is to belong to this forum - integrity above all.
post #52 of 105
I think the best thing you can do right now is to inquire about a chargeback with your cc if you funded it through that. And let the seller know of your intentions not as a threat but as a matter of fact.
post #53 of 105
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Unfortunately, I paid out of my bank account (checking) through paypal. Given the tight knit community here I just hope that people are cautious and, for those who proceeded as I did - I know many would have handled the original transaction better by asking for more details, make sure in the future to get all the details so that something good comes out of my lost cash.
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I think the best thing you can do right now is to inquire about a chargeback with your cc if you funded it through that. And let the seller know of your intentions not as a threat but as a matter of fact.
post #54 of 105
You still have paypal as a recourse i would contact them immediately. Seller should well be informed that if paypal sides with you, the refund will be withdrawn automatically from his account in addition to a fee on top of that.
And while the case is opened and pending paypal will most likely freeze his funds.
post #55 of 105
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Clearly a valuable lesson - I think that there's some extra goodwill, or trust, on the Forum which has been in my experience generally warranted. But I guess you never know.

In general, in my experience, there is.

But you have to remember that SF is just as public as anywhere else on the net, and so the cross-section of sellers (and buyers!) has potential to be of the same range from very good to very bad. Trust a record & past experience beyond just them being SF members. Also, if they're regular posters, you can get an insight into them from reading their posts elsewhere on the board.

Of course, based on my posts elsewhere on the board today, all you could read into me is that I love really tacky ties.
post #56 of 105
I would say in general, I have never sold, nor bought anything, NWT or otherwise with out measurements.
If selling, I always offer measurements or post them.
When buying, I do the same, ask for measurements.

It is a foolish mistake to purchase from here or Ebay, or any online source with out knowing the measurements (Damn it Yoox, post the f$*@ing measurements please?). Regardless of the tagged size or history of the item.

I am sorry you had a bad experience on here, the vast majority of sellers leave wonderful experiences with the buyer and this community highly values the extra steps taken to preserve the level of trust and value on the B.S. thread.
post #57 of 105
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Huh? that's a pretty normal alteration - take sides in a couple inches... ?
I'm a 40. I've never bought a 42 and taken it in, but I have tried on 42's and without taking in the shoulders and taking in the chest, they'd look awful on me. I do however have my 40's slimmed along the side to fit me better. There is a huge difference in my book if the previous owner did that.
post #58 of 105
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Originally Posted by sho'nuff View Post
You still have paypal as a recourse i would contact them immediately. Seller should well be informed that if paypal sides with you, the refund will be withdrawn automatically from his account in addition to a fee on top of that. And while the case is opened and pending paypal will most likely freeze his funds.
Thank you, paypal action has been taken. I just regret that no middle ground could have been reached here. I agreed to help out as much as I could, but ran into a stone wall.
post #59 of 105
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Originally Posted by haganah View Post
I'm a 40. I've never bought a 42 and taken it in, but I have tried on 42's and without taking in the shoulders and taking in the chest, they'd look awful on me. I do however have my 40's slimmed along the side to fit me better. There is a huge difference in my book if the previous owner did that.

Slimmed down how much? 1", 2"? I don't understand how there would be a "huge difference" - pls explain Few people fit OTR sizes without alterations. I'm between sizes too - my shoulders prefer 44 jackets in general but I like my suits to fit closer to a 42 at the waist - so I would have similar alterations done to most of my suits.
post #60 of 105
I have read everyone's post and now everyone can hear from me. I sold the first suit to Mark after he'd responded to my posting for a RLPL 44L suit. After the sale I never heard back from him for several weeks. Once I reposted another piece for sale on SF (Isaia Car Coat) did I hear back from him with interest for the Isaia. While in conversation I told the buyer I had another RLPL jacket for sale. The RLPL was marked as a 44 long like the same as the suit I sold him earlier. What the buyer has not expressed to everyone on this forum is that he bought the second jacket 3-4 weeks after buying the first RLPL 44 long. So after he went to his tailor and was told that the jacket wouldn't be able to be let out to fit his chest he contacted me almost 2 months after the first suit went out looking for a refund.

The RLPL was tagged and sold as a 44 long. All USED/PRE-OWNED suits have some alterations done to them. I was never asked for measurements by the buyer. At no point did I secretly hide the true measurements of the jackets.
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