The reason I wanted no extra material for collar stays is because I want the collar to be as floppy as possible. Unless I have it pinned, which looks very formal, the points are at their own will to flop around. Nope, the collar has no eyelets, I just shove the pin right through the material. Yes, it causes a bit of fraying, but thats fine by me. I went to this style collar because I love the whole look of the 30s, and ive always aspired to kind of look like a "gentleman hobo", very nice clothes starting to wear and look very lived in. Take a look at movies or photos from that era, it was a very popular collar. Also, if you have seen Seabiscuit, Jeff Bridges wears some really floppy collars that kind of blow around in the wind. The floppy collars just seem to go along with this better than my previous english spreads. Ive been getting these all made at BB, 346 madison, in NYC.