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post #31 of 44
12/29/08 at 6:32pm
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Originally Posted by rdawson808 View Post
My impression is that the movie makers are distorting the facts: trying to make this guy the hero he wasn't.

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I am not so sure I agree. The man was almost killed in action in 1943, and rather than retiring from both the war and the conspiracy to remove Hitler from power, he worked hard to resume his duties so that he could continue his opposition to Hitler at extreme personal risk to himself and his family. While it is dificult to say whether his opposition to Hitler was a result of his desire to see Germany prevail in the conflict, or his opposition to the Final Solution, there does exist evidence that as a devout Roman Catholic, he did oppose many of Hitler's policies from a moral perspective; presumably, the treatment of the Jews both in Germany and abroad. I think I would probably agree his actions were heroic, given the definition of heroism that seems to make most sense to me.
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post #32 of 44
1/1/09 at 4:46am
Gonna check it out over the weekend
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post #33 of 44
1/1/09 at 5:33pm
Just saw a trailer for this movie. Cruise doesn't even do an accent? looks like Tom Cruise in a gestapo uniform...

If you can't at least do the accent which is necessary, don't do the project. My .02 cents

Interesting subject but I will probably netflix it.
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post #34 of 44
1/2/09 at 2:47pm
My girlfriend hated it. I thought it was forgettable. Like many people here, I am not a Tom Cruise fan.
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post #35 of 44
1/12/09 at 1:55am
I thought that it was a solid movie. Many thrilling scenes in the movie made it enjoyable. And I think Cruise is a good actor.
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post #36 of 44
1/13/09 at 1:51am
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Originally Posted by bullethead View Post
Just saw a trailer for this movie. Cruise doesn't even do an accent? looks like Tom Cruise in a gestapo uniform...

If you can't at least do the accent which is necessary, don't do the project. My .02 cents

Interesting subject but I will probably netflix it.

Why should he have an accent? Accents are bullsh*t, either speak german (w/subtitles) or speak english.
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post #37 of 44
1/13/09 at 2:06am
Great movie. Guess the bombs back in the day were not very accurate and effective.
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post #38 of 44
1/13/09 at 3:25am
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Originally Posted by humza View Post
Great movie. Guess the bombs back in the day were not very accurate and effective.

The bomb that was planned to kill Hitler was meant to be used in a smaller room. The movie was very accurate on the July 20th assassination attempt. The briefcase containing the bomb was indeed moved to the opposite side of the table, thus preventing the death of Hitler.
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post #39 of 44
1/13/09 at 11:20am
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Originally Posted by humza View Post
Great movie. Guess the bombs back in the day were not very accurate and effective.
A number of the attendees were killed. After von Stauffenberg left the room, someone moved the attaché containing the bomb from one side of the heavy table leg to the other because it blocked his knee. Thus, Schnickelgruber was spared to play his string right out to the end...
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post #40 of 44
1/13/09 at 1:06pm
My understanding, via wiki, that washington post article, and a bit of other reading was that Stauffenberg opposed Hitler mainly on concerns of appropriate control of power. He approved german expansion as he was basically an old-prussian sort of nationalistic zealot. From what I could tell, concentration camps and the Holocaust were potentially a reason for the unrest: however it was not his driving force, which was rather the perception that Germany was on a tack that would eventually be disastrous for it's assertion of power worldwide. The dissenters were more of the perspective that Hitler was unfit to lead, given the route the war had taken. I would assume some of the dissenters implicated in the plot were planning the assassination on moral grounds, however I don't believe Stauffenberg was among them.

What bothered me about the accents was not that Mr. Cruise failed to use an accent, but rather that the "good" german officers spoke with British accents, Mr. Cruise spoke with his obviously american accent, and the "bad/nazi" officers with heavy German accents in the traditional stereotype. This sort of obvious flaw really marred the movie for me, which I felt was otherwise an effective film, despite historical inaccuracy.
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post #41 of 44
1/13/09 at 1:46pm
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Originally Posted by mr monty View Post
Why should he have an accent? Accents are bullsh*t, either speak german (w/subtitles) or speak english.

I disagree. If you subtitle, the movie is automatically art house-and is a limited release. As far as accents, it's laughable for a movie to be set in Germany and have the cast speak as if its in Illinois.
The casts of Schindler's List and the Pianist seemed to have no trouble with accents.
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post #42 of 44
1/13/09 at 2:03pm
I thought that the movie was OK and liked a lot of the sets and stuff. I felt no sympathy for any of the characters.

I thought Tom Cruise was OK and liked the movie but would not recommend it.

The guy who played Hitler did an unremarkable job.

I think the movie Downfall is a much better movie and I think that the acting was better. It is a little more inaccessible because it is in German and subtitled but overall a much better movie.
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post #43 of 44
1/13/09 at 2:07pm
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Great movie. Guess the bombs back in the day were not very accurate and effective.
That is not the case at all. It is basically the same thing we are working with now on that scale. The Discovery channel(?) did a special on this and under almost any other condition Hitler would have died. If it was in the original bunker like room, if the extra pack of explosives were included and even not primed (The explosion would have set this pack off two if they were in the same case) or the case was not moved. In their demo of the event the dummy, like Hitler, lost its pants!
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post #44 of 44
1/13/09 at 2:09pm
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Originally Posted by Teger View Post
wasn't this basically a nazi apologia tho
Not in the slightest. I felt no sympathy for the characters trying to assassinate Hitler, the Germans or much mention at all of the holocaust. It was just a movie on an event. The uniforms and sets looked nice though.
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