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post #31 of 42
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Originally Posted by MetroStyles View Post
It is more enjoyable to watch the Yankees go down in flames (again) given their epic pay-roll. Money paid is a key driver of the team on the field. Stacking your team by out-bidding everyone is annoying to most sports fans. Whether or not you as a Yankee fan agree is up to you. But the point is that fans of the other 29 teams want the Yanks to fail because they have (tried to) kill the competitive spirit of the game. Before you say it's jealousy - think for a minute. The Yankees have not won since 2000. They have had some rough post-season defeats over those years. They have become second fiddle to Boston in their own division. Yet people continue to hate them. It's because of the way they go about their business, not because of jealousy. I readily admit it was jealousy in the late 90s. But not anymore. Part of the fun in baseball is having a front office that brings up home-grown players - or makes intelligent trades to bring good young players over. The Yankees have not done this at all - instead they are a team of mercenaries. In the 1990s they had a solid home-grown (or at least NY-established) group of players. All it's become in the last decade is a merry-go-round of overpriced underachievers. I'm not sure I advocate a salary cap - after all my team of choice (the Mets) has an advantage over small-market NL teams. But I think spending your money with discretion (Mets in the $130s, with 10 other teams over $100 is not so terrible) versus the Yanks at $210 makes quite a difference. They are not "big-spenders" - rather, they make a farce of competitive balance.
Years ago, Major League Baseball wouldve died a lonely death without the Yankees (and Barry Bonds; and look what they did to him). If other owners wanted to spend the money it would all be irrelevant and the money issue is one that is a fiction. Frankly, small market teams need to win championships more for their own survival. The Jets can lose for the next 50 years and they will always have fans, can we be so sure about the Spurs? Payroll is just a lame excuse, a radio/sports media talking point that gained legs with petulant anti-yankee fans. Now that other teams spend a ton, it's suddenly that the yankees spend most. Only the thickest meat head can believe this. Now if you want to speak about who really spoiled the fun in baseball, blame it on the historical owners who have made every wrong decision that could possibly ever have been made, leading to free agency and an insanely strong players union. Look, if baseball fans in KC want a more competitive team, tell em to put pressure on ownership not throw muck at the Yankees. I honestly dont know how the Mets haven't won a WS in the last three years but the Yankees aren't underachieving, they make the playoffs often, unless we're talking about the recent American disease that you either win a championship or you suck, then the Yankees look pretty tasty to, say, an Orioles fan. Amongst the several factors that stymie Yankee post season championships, one is the 5 game cardiac round which doesnt fit the Yankee endurance/power mold. If those series were 7 games, the Yankee s wouldve won more. Second, the science of sports training has caught up and the difference between the best and worst line ups isnt as vast as it was in the 90s. Oh, and one other thing, the Stinbrenners are far too vocally coarse to their employees whch drives the best scouting/general-managing talent to other teams. Cant treat people like it's 1979 and throw money at them to make it better. there is a lot of hate for NY sports which I notice even from refs (which is why I dont mind so much when they get plugged). If you dont see it, then it's because you also dont see that all players are mercenaries and that free agency killed sports both pro and college.
post #32 of 42
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Originally Posted by Film Noir Buff View Post
Years ago, Major League Baseball wouldve died a lonely death without the Yankees (and Barry Bonds; and look what they did to him).

This is absurd, and would only be argued by a Yankee fan.
post #33 of 42
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Originally Posted by chorse123 View Post
I think they greatly overpaid for an overhyped player. It will only make their eventual failure to win the WS more enjoyable.
Based on the value of marginal wins in dollars for the Yankees and the expected win value above replacement player that Teixeira will provide? If so, he's neither overpaid nor overhyped. With this signing alone, the Yankees went from "playoff contender" to "best team in baseball". For a team with the resources of the Yankees, that's definitely worth the contract Tex is getting.
post #34 of 42
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Originally Posted by kwiteaboy View Post
Based on the value of marginal wins in dollars for the Yankees and the expected win value above replacement player that Teixeira will provide? If so, he's neither overpaid nor overhyped. With this signing alone, the Yankees went from "playoff contender" to "best team in baseball". For a team with the resources of the Yankees, that's definitely worth the contract Tex is getting.
That remains to be seen, and I'm not talking about injuries. Who knows how much their older players will decline, who knows how their pitching staff will shake out. Pretty hard to ignore the Red Sox/Rays as contenders for that as well, considering the Red Sox will get Lowell back on a team that went to the ALCS, and the Rays younger players all got a year better, Crawford should be healthy again, and they've added David Price.
post #35 of 42
The Yankees should win about 140 games. Anything less would be failure.
post #36 of 42
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Originally Posted by coopster View Post
The Yankees should win about 140 games. Anything less would be failure.
Really? I'd say they'll be in a dead heat with the Sox to win the divison. I'd probably give the nod to the Yankees by 3 or 4 games. I don't see them winning more than a 105 games, which is still very good. If I had to make a prediction, I'd say 98 wins.
post #37 of 42
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Originally Posted by MetroStyles View Post
Really? I'd say they'll be in a dead heat with the Sox to win the divison. I'd probably give the nod to the Yankees by 3 or 4 games. I don't see them winning more than a 105 games, which is still very good. If I had to make a prediction, I'd say 98 wins.

I was kidding with 140 but 98 is a bit low. The Mariners won 116 games on '01 or '02. As of now, I think this number can, and will be, met/ bested by the Yankees.

The golden rule of baseball is that good pitching beats good hitting, in the last 7-8 seasons the yankees had the offense but they couldnt keep the other team from scoring (No real 3,4 or 5 starter and less then stellar middle-relief). The Yankees now have GREAT pitching with a line-up that is explosive to say the least.

I guess the quality of a team ultimately comes down to how the individuals unite but with the raw talent they have the AL east and probably the pennant are coming back to NYC.

*Please do not confuse me with a Yankees fan, I am not. I am just taken back by their potential.
post #38 of 42
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Originally Posted by kwiteaboy View Post
Based on the value of marginal wins in dollars for the Yankees and the expected win value above replacement player that Teixeira will provide? If so, he's neither overpaid nor overhyped. With this signing alone, the Yankees went from "playoff contender" to "best team in baseball". For a team with the resources of the Yankees, that's definitely worth the contract Tex is getting.

Lest we forget the infamous Carl Pavano signing, something like $80m for 30 (average at best) starts over 5 years.
post #39 of 42
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Originally Posted by coopster View Post
Lest we forget the infamous Carl Pavano signing, something like $80m for 30 (average at best) starts over 5 years.

Mark Teixeira is not Carl Pavano.
post #40 of 42
Crap quoted the wrong post. Tex is a man among boys. He is the real deal.

Povano goes to show that nothing in baseball, except for the contract, is guaranteed.
post #41 of 42
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Originally Posted by coopster View Post
Crap quoted the wrong post. Tex is a man among boys. He is the real deal. Povano goes to show that nothing in baseball, except for the contract, is guaranteed.
I think American Idle's problem was psychological. He just couldn't face the NY media and fans. Baseball has some major league problems and I realize that even if teams spent more on or re-plowed the luxury tax money they received into their payrolls it still would not cure inequities. Kansas City (My favorite sick man of MLB) cannot spend its way out of its misery. It needs scouting and drafting and trades. You can let your team slide into seemingly permanent oblivion for the sins of past practices. Compare this with the NFL cap which has some problems but at least can help send a 3-13 team to the playoffs the next year.
post #42 of 42
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Originally Posted by Film Noir Buff View Post
Kansas City (My favorite sick man of MLB) cannot spend its way out of its misery. It needs scouting and drafting and trades. You can let your team slide into seemingly permanent oblivion for the sins of past practices.

It sounds like you are describing somewhat of a "grass roots" restructuring. I would agree with that, but add that sometimes the person at the top needs to be replaced in order to enact the change throughout the system.

I would be interested to see a chronological study of the actions that the Tamps Bay Rays took (acquisitions, trades and draft picks) in order to got from the doormat of MLB to the WS.
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