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post #31 of 57
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For my shirts using MOP collar stays would be detrimental to the appearance. Because of the insufficient length of the stays, the stays cause "dents" in the collar leaf.
Like I said, if this size doesn't work for your shirts, then you would be better off with a different stay. That's great info, if it's true. Be sure to post the address of that shirtmaker in Italy so we can all fly over there and get a pair or two. I'm sure everyone would love to know.
post #32 of 57
Well, there are MOP stays and there are MOP stays. I've seen some cheaper troca ones that were brittle but I've not seen one complaint after having sold 600 pairs of them except for a few people who stepped on one. That I don't gaurantee but otherwise everyone has liked them. Uriaheep - do you prefer plastic or metal? The advantage over metal is that they have a polished and rounded edge. Metal can oxidize (tarnish) and leave stains or it can chip and tear the pocket. Tear that pocket and the shirt is dead. Alex makes a very heavy plastic one for his shirts as I recall - custom to exactly match the collar of a given shirt and those would likely be the most functional. ....but then polyester would be most functional for a suit now wouldn't it????
post #33 of 57
The MOP stays sold by most places are made by the same Italian manufacturer of buttons and accessories, Gritti, but vary somewhat in retail price. I have not seen cheap troca collar stays. Then again I don't waste my time looking for cheap s***. Don't care for metal either. Plastic stays have very smooth edges, and even if a plastic stay is not perfectly even it takes little skill to make it perfectly so using a small pair of scissors, kitchen knife, chainsaw or the like(well, maybe not a chansaw).
post #34 of 57
Plastic stays can be ordered in a variety of lengths, widths, thicknesses and shapes. Because of this I can have whichever collar stays may be most appropriate for a particular collar instead of a MOP collar stay which suits none of my shirts.
post #35 of 57
I have over a hundred of these plastic collar stays, in various shape, length, width... Frankly, I don't even bother trying to find in this pile the ones which were originally paired with the shirt : too much of a hassle. I have a few pairs which came with my MTM dress shirts : they seem to be of slightly harder plastic, average length and width, and thus fit in a lot of my collars. I tend to use them almost all the time. Never tried brass or silver, looks to me as a pointless accessoire. Luc
post #36 of 57
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(Uriahheep) Plastic stays have very smooth edges, and even if a plastic stay is not perfectly even it takes little skill to make it perfectly so using a small pair of scissors, kitchen knife, chainsaw or the like(well, maybe not a chansaw).
I'm not supposed to cut them with my chainsaw? Damn.
post #37 of 57
Metal, at least brass, is a terrible material for collar stays. The Tyrwhitt stays bend and stay bent, causing your collar to look odd. Ideally a stay should be hard enough to maintain shape and flexible enough not to snap during all of one's daily movements. I like MOP stays. However, all of those I have seen are just a tad shorter than I would like. I don't know why a manufacturer couldn't make some a tad longer. The best stays for my purposes are actual bone collar stays from everyone's least favorite outfitter, Jay Kos. Proper length, stiff enough, not bendy like metal, not likely to poke through my collar, not likely to warp like plastic might after a while.
post #38 of 57
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not bendy like metal
Mmmmmm ... bendy
post #39 of 57
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(RJMan) I like MOP stays. However, all of those I have seen are just a tad shorter than I would like. I don't know why a manufacturer couldn't make some a tad longer.
The Oyster Shell Union mandated a specific size shell in their most recent contract.
post #40 of 57
naturlaut got me a pair of silver collar stays from Dunhill as a bd gift; they're lovely, but I don't wear them simply because they're too heavy koji
post #41 of 57
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The Oyster Shell Union mandated a specific size shell in their most recent contract.
Damn organized labor. Guess any scabs in that union are "sleeping with the mussels".
post #42 of 57
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(Alexander Kabbaz @ Mar. 18 2005,06:48) The Oyster Shell Union mandated a specific size shell in their most recent contract.
Damn organized labor.  Guess any scabs in that union are "sleeping with the mussels".
Wasn't Gallo whacked out at Umberto's Clam House? koji
post #43 of 57
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(Jill) That's great info, if it's true. Be sure to post the address of that shirtmaker in Italy so we can all fly over there and get a pair or two. I'm sure everyone would love to know.
Of course it's true. Yes, I bought MOP collar stays from an Italian shirtmaker. I''ll be sure not to post the info of this particular artisan and risk everyone hassling him just for this. He's got more important business to take care of than answering queries about the MOP collar stays he hates, and anyway I bought most of his fairly small MOP collar stay inventory, never before having used MOP stays but thinking that if they're good I could give some to a few friends. I was badly disappointed and could have bought another custom shirt with what I paid for the lot of MOP stays. You may get the same stays at wholesale from the same manufacturer but use MOP collar stays as a selling point for the shirts since most shirt vendors that actually sell them for even more and as an "aftermarket" option, hence your need to sell them for more than double, almost triple, of $7. This is similar to when I wrote that I had custom ties made. "Carlo" wrote that I got a great deal on labor but that the silks I got were likely pretty good but probably not on the level of the stuff you claim have your ties made of. As he said, I did not pay $400 pattern fees to have my silk designs woven. You probably buy enough silk that the $400 per design makes almost no difference in per-meter price. But the $400 design fee and accompanying design have really no difference in quality, just appearance. I was able to find absolute-top-quality silks including (by definition) densely-woven mogadors from the seasonal collections of some fairly prominent silk weavers including Fermo Fossati.
post #44 of 57
Most Italian collars (and certainly all bespoke ones) have some "roll" which the stiffness of an MOP stay would eliminate.  They tend to deliver the shirts with wide plastic stays that are somewhat softer than American or British stays, as this preserves that "roll."
post #45 of 57
Manton: that's some signature.
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