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post #46 of 61
This may be a stupid question, however given the posts on this subject I thought I would bow to your greater knowledge. I am getting married at the end of the year. I have decided that I will not be wearing tails, and in stead I am going to opt for a nice classic tuxedo. I still like the whole white bow tie and waistcoat look, but without the tails will this look out of place?
post #47 of 61
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Originally Posted by dg2020 View Post
This may be a stupid question, however given the posts on this subject I thought I would bow to your greater knowledge. I am getting married at the end of the year. I have decided that I will not be wearing tails, and in stead I am going to opt for a nice classic tuxedo. I still like the whole white bow tie and waistcoat look, but without the tails will this look out of place?
^ You can wear a white waistcoat with a tuxedo. I would still stick to black for the bow-tie though...
post #48 of 61
If I'm not mistaken, the 'white-tie without tails' coat is actually called a 'Spencer Jacket' or a 'bum freezer'...the Earl Spencer burnt his coattails in a fire, and apparently liked the resultant look. Whatever one thinks about the look, it does seem to be a staple for waiters. I don't recommend it. Go fully white-tie or fully black-tie.
post #49 of 61
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Originally Posted by dg2020 View Post
This may be a stupid question, however given the posts on this subject I thought I would bow to your greater knowledge. I am getting married at the end of the year. I have decided that I will not be wearing tails, and in stead I am going to opt for a nice classic tuxedo. I still like the whole white bow tie and waistcoat look, but without the tails will this look out of place?
It is perfectly correct -- and arguably more formal -- to wear a white waistcoat with black tie instead of the more common black waistcoat. But you can't wear a white tie with a tuxedo unless you want to be taking drink orders all night. Black tie really does require, at a minimum, a black tie. Some people, apparently desperate for even the most paltry avenue of self-expression, wear colored ties with matching cummerbunds. This is virtually always a bad idea. But wearing a white tie with a tuxedo really doesn't work at all.
post #50 of 61
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Originally Posted by Mildly Consumptive View Post
Historically, this is what waiters and servants wore at events to distinguish them from guests.

Those, and the President of the United States.
post #51 of 61
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Originally Posted by Bounder
Black tie really does require, at a minimum, a black tie. Some people, apparently desperate for even the most paltry avenue of self-expression, wear colored ties with matching cummerbunds. This is virtually always a bad idea. But wearing a white tie with a tuxedo really doesn't work at all.
Which is correct. There was a trend in the 1980's for red and other colors instead of black tie. I would avoid it unless you are dating Cindi Lauper. (Of course this is from a man who just yesterday found a matching tartan tie and cummerbund set for $2.49 at a thrift store and could not pass it up. I'll figure out an occasion to wear it. )
post #52 of 61
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Originally Posted by Master Squirrel View Post
(Of course this is from a man who just yesterday found a matching tartan tie and cummerbund set for $2.49 at a thrift store and could not pass it up. I'll figure out an occasion to wear it. )

Wear the cummerbund but leave the bow-tie at home. Matching cummerbunds and bow ties are something of the rental industry, worn mostly at weddings and proms.
post #53 of 61
Fine if it is for a wedding and you are the groom or something like that, but there isn't much place elsewhere for it.
post #54 of 61
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Originally Posted by blackbowtie View Post

I think I recall that Obama took a little heat for this choice (at the inaugural ball). Perhaps he didn't do it the right way (waist covering?). As the focus of attention you may have a certain prerogative, but there is also the enhanced scrutiny to consider
post #55 of 61
White tie without tails? That will be amusing.

Don't do it.
post #56 of 61
This image of Clark Gable nicely shows a low cut/buttoning matching black vest mated to a dinner jacket


When the rules for semi-formal dinner jackets/black tie were still being developed between the world wars, perhaps wearing a white pique low cut buttoning vest & or a white tie might have been acceptable...mixed with a winged detacheable collar shirt with a dinner jacket.

But now, one might be excused for being the waiter-hired help

I prefer the overall look of Clark Gable
post #57 of 61
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Originally Posted by Michael Ay329 View Post
When the rules for semi-formal dinner jackets/black tie were still being developed between the world wars, perhaps wearing a white pique low cut buttoning vest & or a white tie might have been acceptable

A white vest is perfectly acceptable with a dinner jacket.

It is only a white tie which is not.
post #58 of 61
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Originally Posted by Sanguis Mortuum View Post
A white vest is perfectly acceptable with a dinner jacket.

It is only a white tie which is not.


I triple dog dare you to find a modern picture of a black tie dinner jacket nicely matched with a low buttoning white pique vest.

And preferably not a picture from a tux rental company showing a hideous high buttoned vest
post #59 of 61
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Originally Posted by Michael Ay329 View Post
I triple dog dare you to find a modern picture of a black tie dinner jacket nicely matched with a low buttoning white pique vest. And preferably not a picture from a tux rental company showing a hideous high buttoned vest
I already posted one halfway back up this page... Here's a couple more for you: Ok, the one on the left might not quite count as 'modern', but it still looks good... And a couple more: Again, the one on the left is not exactly 'modern', but could still be worn today. The one on the right is Mark from Plano's post in the 'Formalwear pr0n' thread.
post #60 of 61
S.M., thanks for the plethora of good pics. If anything, having black studs/buttons on the white vest does seem elegant.

Interesting note, everyone who is wearing the white vest, is also wearing a wing collar shirt, instead of the traditional fold down collar

I still prefer the look on Clark Gable, but all the pics you posted look nice...you met my dare
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