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post #46 of 59
12/22/08 at 7:12pm
One more advice , avoid people exstensively into Audio and A/B comparisons of esoteric bs. They usually like to talk about engineering and use a lot of sound bites meaning of which they don't quite undersand (it is the same disease as with baseball stats guys).
If you cannot avoid them at least try not to lend them any money.
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post #47 of 59
12/22/08 at 7:26pm
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One more advice , avoid people exstensively into Audio and A/B comparisons of esoteric bs. They usually like to talk about engineering and use a lot of sound bites meaning of which they don't quite undersand (it is the same disease as with baseball stats guys). If you cannot avoid them at least try not to lend them any money.
I'm sorry, but with due respect, you appear to have no idea what you're talking about. Most ppl who are audiophiles became that way because they love music, and actually heard the difference between a truly good rig and your typical mass-market one. No other reasons. There's a few poseurs or rich-guy dilettantes, but not too many. People who, on the other hand, have never heard a truly good rig sometimes just don't want to believe that there can be anything out there that's better than what's on-the-shelf at Best Buy. Sometimes that comes down to wanting to defend their own purchases, or maybe they're just close-minded, or maybe they stay completely away from the kinds of music where the quality of your rig makes the most difference (jazz, classical). It's hard to say. What is true is that every single person I've ever seen listen to a truly good rig has come away very impressed, and not at all in doubt of the fact that there's much better sound to have that what your local Wal-Mart offers. If you don't want to get that, that's your entirely your choice, but you are kinda missing out. ...
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post #48 of 59
12/23/08 at 4:05am
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One more advice , avoid people exstensively into Audio and A/B comparisons of esoteric bs.

Right...because it's better for those delving into analogue hi-fi to seek advice from those who aren't into audio, and limiting yourself to inferior quality products???

If you're trying to be the "voice of reason" here (and I'm not saying there isn't a place for it), then you are failing.

Yea, analogue is inherently a black art, and somewhat perverse in nature...but that's what is good and bad about it at the same time....there's some danger and plenty of uncertainty involved. There definitely be dragons here.

But it sure beats the hell out of subscribing to the "perfect sound forever" philosophy of the digital pods.
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post #49 of 59
1/8/09 at 1:20am
*high-fives freshcut*
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post #50 of 59
1/17/10 at 1:30am
wanted to resurrect this thread and ask if anyone had any experience with this as an entry level turntable... http://www.musicdirect.com/product/72052
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post #51 of 59
1/17/10 at 12:03pm
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wanted to resurrect this thread and ask if anyone had any experience with this as an entry level turntable...
http://www.musicdirect.com/product/72052

I have the Pro-Ject Debut III Phono SB turntable (with the integrated speed box and phono preamp). It's a great little machine and the price is right.

I definitely recommend getting the speed box if you ever plan on playing 45rpm records. Removing the platter and manually transferring the drive belt to change speeds seems like it would be a huge hassle. With the speed box, it's just the touch of a button.
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post #52 of 59
2/1/11 at 3:11am
Just saw the Pro-ject 1.3 genie and 5.1(?)s in a shop. They look quite good, and decent prices. I haven't been able to get off my arse and start fixing my LP12, would these be decent everyday TTs? They come with Ortofon Reds.
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post #53 of 59
2/2/11 at 12:18pm
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Just saw the Pro-ject 1.3 genie and 5.1(?)s in a shop. They look quite good, and decent prices. I haven't been able to get off my arse and start fixing my LP12, would these be decent everyday TTs? They come with Ortofon Reds.

My advice:

1. Fix your LP12 and have it done right. It is a very good turntable in working order. A British classic. Invest in a good cartridge.

2. Avoid Pro-Ject. Buy an entry level Rega instead. Better sound and more ways to upgrade. The Ortofon Red and Blue and Bronze carts are terrific for the money.
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post #54 of 59
2/3/11 at 8:52am
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Originally Posted by Artisan Fan View Post
ghulkhan,
There are also issues around Moving Magnet versus Moving Coil and LP accessories. You probably want Moving Magnet ("MM") in this range.

Agree.

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In your price range, the Rega P3/RB300 combo is the no-brainer (even better in lime green).

This is what sprung to my mind at first.

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A decent choice but if you can stretch for the Scout, you will find much better sound imho.

I have never heard of VPI Scout. But I blame it on my inexperience.
In your opinion, how well does VPI compare to Thorens and Regas? Or does it belong in the league of Linn/Oracle?

Sooner or later I will start a thread to get some more info as I'm about to throw away my old crappy system and buy new stuff)
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post #55 of 59
2/3/11 at 4:16pm
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I have never heard of VPI Scout. But I blame it on my inexperience. In your opinion, how well does VPI compare to Thorens and Regas? Or does it belong in the league of Linn/Oracle? Sooner or later I will start a thread to get some more info as I'm about to throw away my old crappy system and buy new stuff)
In my opinion: VPI Classic or Aries 3 > Oracle flagship > Current VPI Scout = Rega P9 > Linn LP12 > Rega P3 Not enough experience on Thorens. Oracles historically have horrible build quality. I've watched several major issues occur with two different friends. No thank you on Oracle. Pretty design though.
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post #56 of 59
2/4/11 at 8:40am
Thanks for sharing your views, I will definetly keep this in mind when out and browsing for turntalbes
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post #57 of 59
2/4/11 at 1:00pm
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Thanks for sharing your views, I will definetly keep this in mind when out and browsing for turntalbes

You are welcome!
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post #58 of 59
2/7/11 at 10:43pm
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Originally Posted by Artisan Fan View Post
My advice:

1. Fix your LP12 and have it done right. It is a very good turntable in working order. A British classic. Invest in a good cartridge.

2. Avoid Pro-Ject. Buy an entry level Rega instead. Better sound and more ways to upgrade. The Ortofon Red and Blue and Bronze carts are terrific for the money.

Cheers. I wonder if I'll get around to my project, perhaps I should just drag out the basic LP12 from storage and not bother at the moment with the parts - I have an Ekos and an Ittok modified by Audio Origami somewhere, as well as a Lingo and a Hercules board.
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post #59 of 59
2/8/11 at 1:52pm
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Cheers. I wonder if I'll get around to my project, perhaps I should just drag out the basic LP12 from storage and not bother at the moment with the parts - I have an Ekos and an Ittok modified by Audio Origami somewhere, as well as a Lingo and a Hercules board.

It may come down to how much to fix the Linn to get in working order versus the cost of the entry level Rega RP1 around $400. My guess is the working Linn will be better than a new RP1 but I don't know for sure.
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