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post #46 of 56
12/23/08 at 3:05am
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Originally Posted by why View Post
You did have it figured out. Read Starting Strength and follow it. Ignore what everyone else says. Follow the program. It's a very basic program that will put you way beyond most people who have been in the gym for years. You'l be happy knowing you can deadlift over 300 pounds while there's a bunch of chodes doing curls every day.

Then they'll be jealous of you and curl more weight and never realize what the problem is...

Oh wow! Being able to deadlift 300 lbs from reading a book?
Is he gonna be able to bench 500 pounds from taking a pill?
Yup! He will be the envy of the gym as the gym's version of the hunchback of notre dame.
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post #47 of 56
12/23/08 at 3:10am
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Originally Posted by Jekyll View Post
I thought I had it all figured out, and now you come along and confuse me.

Look. I am not like those numbnuts here who say read a book.
When you ask them why must I read that book, they say read that book.
When you ask them why again, they freak out.

My advice to you is succinct and logical.
It is tailored to fit your purpose. In fact, I have an innate ability to suss out what you want.
Hence I advised you to forget about deadlifts etc etc.
All you need to do is use the basic gym equipment and that will do FOR YOUR PURPOSE.
You dont need a 6 gauge shotgun to kill a pesky housefly do you?
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post #48 of 56
12/23/08 at 3:22am
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Originally Posted by X-Calibre View Post
Deadlifts and squats are going to add size faster than anything else (well I don't trust you to do cleans, I don't trust me to do cleans half the time).

But here's the God's honest truth, just do something and do it hard. There is no doubt that there are specific routines that will benefit you more by 10, 20 maybe 50% but really the only thing that matters now is that you go and you work out hard, even if it's just on machines. So go find out what you enjoy, and get at it. Getting bigger is really only a function of consuming more calories than you use. If you really like running and you go running 2 hours a day, but eat 5k calories a day then you'll get bigger and probably in an attractive way. If you go to the gym with some super scientific regimine you'll hate it and stop.

Exactly! Thanks for being another voice of reason amongst the sea of stupidity here. Both you and I know who is the first voice of reason right?
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post #49 of 56
12/23/08 at 3:53am
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Originally Posted by Grayland View Post
+1

You amended why's post and gave him points for that?
What a numbnut!
Do you change your students' paper and them give them a better grade?
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post #50 of 56
12/23/08 at 3:56am
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Originally Posted by lefty View Post
Oh, beasty ...

If only you had been born a man, what a Caesar you would have made.

lefty

Normally I would tell you to shut your meat hole but your stupidity manifested in your posts are giving us so much mirth and joy in this time of harsh economic uncertainty.

Keep it up!
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post #51 of 56
12/23/08 at 2:44pm
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Originally Posted by beasty View Post
Oh wow! Being able to deadlift 300 lbs from reading a book?

Yes.
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post #52 of 56
12/24/08 at 5:16pm
my friend started SS and then i joined him. between the book and following videos online you can learn to safely deadlift. ripptoe is great at easily explaining how to lift properly without hurting yourself. i disagree with his diet unless you're only desire is to gain mass. it does help greatly to lift with someone else who can point out what you are doing wrong, since you will be doing something wrong in the beginning. just don't go heavy until your technique is sound and you will be fine.
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post #53 of 56
12/25/08 at 4:05am
You have to learn to do 4 things to do SS (Power cleans might actually qualify as hard but are not needed) - how hard is it to learn 4 basic movements?
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post #54 of 56
12/25/08 at 7:59am
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Originally Posted by Deluks917 View Post
You have to learn to do 4 things to do SS (Power cleans might actually qualify as hard but are not needed) - how hard is it to learn 4 basic movements?

Learning 4 things to do SS is not hard. Getting injured doing it is even easier!
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post #55 of 56
12/25/08 at 9:57pm
I wouldn't power clean without proper coaching. Not because you'll hurt yourself, but most likely your form will be terrible and thus not be able to clean as much.
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post #56 of 56
1/2/09 at 8:00pm
Starting Strength is a great resource and so is the Crossfit web site at www.crossfit.com. I do tend to agree with those who argue that it's pretty easy to injure yourself trying out deadlifts, squats and cleans without some instruction. I focused on Ollympic weightlifting for a year and did one competition after training maybe 300 hours just on clean & jerks and snatches. It definitely requires a lot of technique.

Let's face it -- everyone wants to lift more weight than they're ready for. So those first few deadlifts done with a rounded back aren't going to hurt you. Then you put on some extra weight and bang you've got a muscle spasm. Cleans can give you some major shoulder and elbow tendonitis if you're not careful.

Rippetoe explains everything incredibly well but how many of us can look at a book and exactly mimic the motions. Rippetoe's book, in fact, is a guide to the coach of a power athlete, not to the athlete directly (although educated athletes can benefit from it).

Final point: I do agree that squats, deadlifts, benches, cleans will put meat on you faster than all the fancy machinery. Don't forget to eat. You can't gain muscle if you don't gain fat at first. Then you have to diet the fat off. If you're at 130lbs and want to put on 20lbs of muscle, you're going to need to eat a LOT.
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