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post #46 of 60
1/2/09 at 5:25pm
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If you are eating correctly and trying to maintain an all natural diet then you rarely will need to read ingredients. If your health is of less importance to you there's no point in reading ingredients.

Jack Lalanne is currently 94 years old - still touring the country, driving a Corvette and claims his cock still works. Everyone else his age is either dead or all fucked up waiting to die in wheelchairs. You aren't ever going to find me saying health food is getting out of control. We need more of the shit - bring on more Whole Foods markets, fast food joints that serve healthy meals, organizations such as CSPI who call out manufacturers for putting crap in our foods that cause obesity and cancer, politicians with the balls to put better foods for our children in school. I want to see a world that's free of little obese kids running around like retards on Coco Puff sugar highs.

My apologies to the OP for getting off track on this thread. I will now shut my trap unless it pertains to the original subject matter.

Good post.
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post #47 of 60
1/2/09 at 7:06pm
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Originally Posted by Vernon-Dozier View Post
If you are eating correctly and trying to maintain an all natural diet then you rarely will need to read ingredients. If your health is of less importance to you there's no point in reading ingredients. Jack Lalanne is currently 94 years old - still touring the country, driving a Corvette and claims his cock still works. Everyone else his age is either dead or all fucked up waiting to die in wheelchairs. You aren't ever going to find me saying health food is getting out of control. We need more of the shit - bring on more Whole Foods markets, fast food joints that serve healthy meals, organizations such as CSPI who call out manufacturers for putting crap in our foods that cause obesity and cancer, politicians with the balls to put better foods for our children in school. I want to see a world that's free of little obese kids running around like retards on Coco Puff sugar highs. My apologies to the OP for getting off track on this thread. I will now shut my trap unless it pertains to the original subject matter.
So what? My great grandma is 102 and used to have a glass of whiskey every night. She ate Slovak peasant food for her entire life (oh my God! white potatoes and white rice in her stuffed cabbage with ground chuck!) Thanks for inadvertently supporting my point by using anecdotal evidence: people need to understand this stuff more instead of follow someone else's incorrect assumptions. Food science is very closely related to chemistry. Being ignorant of chemistry doesn't grant license to act like every grain needs the bran on it to avoid cancer and coronary artery disease or get under 10% body fat. It's possible to be healthy without fanatical devotion to being au naturale a la Lalanne.
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post #48 of 60
1/2/09 at 8:39pm
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So what? My great grandma is 102 and used to have a glass of whiskey every night. She ate Slovak peasant food for her entire life (oh my God! white potatoes and white rice in her stuffed cabbage with ground chuck!)

Thanks for inadvertently supporting my point by using anecdotal evidence: people need to understand this stuff more instead of follow someone else's incorrect assumptions. Food science is very closely related to chemistry. Being ignorant of chemistry doesn't grant license to act like every grain needs the bran on it to avoid cancer and coronary artery disease or get under 10% body fat.

It's possible to be healthy without fanatical devotion to being au naturale a la Lalanne.

mmm I've had stuffed cabbage before, good stuff.
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post #49 of 60
1/3/09 at 2:41am
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So what? My great grandma is 102 and used to have a glass of whiskey every night. She ate Slovak peasant food for her entire life (oh my God! white potatoes and white rice in her stuffed cabbage with ground chuck!)

Thanks for inadvertently supporting my point by using anecdotal evidence: people need to understand this stuff more instead of follow someone else's incorrect assumptions. Food science is very closely related to chemistry. Being ignorant of chemistry doesn't grant license to act like every grain needs the bran on it to avoid cancer and coronary artery disease or get under 10% body fat.

It's possible to be healthy without fanatical devotion to being au naturale a la Lalanne.

We are just emerging from the dark ages of dietary advice. The scientists don't have all the answers yet so instead of indulging in paralysis by over-analysis just point me to the dude who leads by example and makes good common sense. Saves me alot of time.
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post #50 of 60
1/3/09 at 2:51am
How many times have I said to learn how to hunt/fish and grow your own veggies if you want high quality nutritious food without all the crap?
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post #51 of 60
1/3/09 at 12:01pm
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We are just emerging from the dark ages of dietary advice.

As long as people are proposing brown rice, no. Not even close.
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post #52 of 60
1/3/09 at 12:03pm
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As long as people are proposing brown rice, no. Not even close.

Could you elaborate about brown rice? Your comment seems a bit vague.
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post #53 of 60
1/3/09 at 12:11pm
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Could you elaborate about brown rice? Your comment seems a bit vague.

It's not just brown rice in particular, but the GI diet and all the other silliness that's so pervasive.
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post #54 of 60
1/3/09 at 12:17pm
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It's not just brown rice in particular, but the GI diet and all the other silliness that's so pervasive.

Are you speaking of people that do low GI diets? I do agree that it has gotten a bit extreme as you need carbs to build muscle, and the emphasis on PROTEIN is a bit much. But in the end if you want to cut weight, you just gotta cut calories and have a balanced diet.
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post #55 of 60
1/3/09 at 12:38pm
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Are you speaking of people that do low GI diets? I do agree that it has gotten a bit extreme as you need carbs to build muscle, and the emphasis on PROTEIN is a bit much. But in the end if you want to cut weight, you just gotta cut calories and have a balanced diet.
Exactly.
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post #56 of 60
1/3/09 at 12:40pm
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But in the end if you want to cut weight, you just gotta cut calories and have a balanced diet.

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Exactly.

Do elaborate. I'm all ears.
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post #57 of 60
1/3/09 at 12:43pm
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So what? My great grandma is 102 and used to have a glass of whiskey every night. She ate Slovak peasant food for her entire life (oh my God! white potatoes and white rice in her stuffed cabbage with ground chuck!)

Funny that you use this as an example.

Pollan recommends traditional diets as well as an alcoholic drink or two a day.

Just like your grandma who is 102.
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post #58 of 60
1/3/09 at 1:03pm
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Do elaborate. I'm all ears.

Don't eat Doritos all day.

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Funny that you use this as an example.

Pollan recommends traditional diets as well as an alcoholic drink or two a day.

Just like your grandma who is 102.

'Traditional diets' is a shotgun recommendation: it has so many different meanings and it's so unspecific that it's worthless as a recommendation. Some people traditionally live on rice and beans, some live on stuffed cabbage, and some live on Doritos and Twinkies. They're in no way equal except under the 'traditional diets' umbrella.

I like my great grandma's whisky idea. I agree with Pollan there.
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post #59 of 60
1/3/09 at 1:46pm
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Do elaborate. I'm all ears.

Well, a balanced diet I find, includes sources of sugars, protein, and fats, from nature. Any diet made or athletes will include carbs, protein, and some some form of fat. Sure when you are cutting, you can completely cut out fats, but any dietician will recommend the fats that come from fish, peanut butter, or even nuts. An athelets basic diet is balanced, ask any nutritionist.
Sure you can get by with shoving yourself full of protein shakes, multivitamins, and fish oil capsules, but you can get a majority of your dietary needs from food.
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post #60 of 60
1/3/09 at 4:32pm
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Funny that you use this as an example.

Pollan recommends traditional diets as well as an alcoholic drink or two a day.

Just like your grandma who is 102.

Same with Jack Lalanne - he drinks wine and actually got busted for DUI several years back. He really got slammed for that but hey it's just fermented grape juice. He said he was a wine drinker many years before the arrest.
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