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post #76 of 144
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Originally Posted by globetrotter View Post
yeah, the IDF is a little unusual - after basic training (which can be very very long) officers and, NCOs and troops eat together and have pretty much identical living conditions. if anything, the NCOs and officers have it a little rougher.

its strange, but the harsh living conditions weren't bad for moral, as far as I can remember. we used to be strangly proud, for want of a better word, of how we could tough it out. for what ever reason, paratroopers didn't wear coats during basic training. and our training camp was at pretty high elevation, and I had the luck to inlist in January. so we were fucking cold. but the other infantry did wear coats, so we thought that made them pussies. for all I know, they weren't allowed to use toilet paper, and they thought we were pussies for having toilet paper.

but most of the hardships weren't artifically introduced - we were just a poor army. we didn't have access to the logistics that would get us warm food, we didn't have laundry service, or real entertainment.

And yet despite all that the IDF remains one of the most effective armies in history.
post #77 of 144
but let me also say that the leadership was almost always extremly kind and nurturing - I still have extremly warm feelings about my NCOs from basic training, and I would like to think that some of the soldiers that I led would say the same thing about me. but, as an example - I came back from having a wisdom tooth removed in basic training, and I told me NCO that I wasn't sure I could run with the stiches in my mouth. so he said "lets see, start running and we'll see if anything bad happens to you".
post #78 of 144
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And yet despite all that the IDF remains one of the most effective armies in history.

yeah, but I think that also comes down to the quality of the human resources - remember, everybody (almost) goes to the army, so the army has the ability to choose the very best. and, of course, everybody believes in the nessasity of what the IDF is doing.
post #79 of 144
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Originally Posted by globetrotter View Post
everybody believes in the nessasity of what the IDF is doing.

I think that is ultimately what determines moral, not celebrity appearances, Burger Kings on base, and casinos.
post #80 of 144
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I think that is ultimately what determines moral, not celebrity appearances, Burger Kings on base, and casinos.

I agree.
post #81 of 144
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You want to say that the IDF has poor moral and bad leadership? The greatest militaries in the world fought under even worst circumstances and have better records than the well fed and often overweight US servicemen.

No, if I had meant to say that, I would have. I am only relating my opinions which are based my upon firsthand experiences. "Well fed" is a good thing, even for a military organization. As for painting the US services as "often overweight", I won't even bother with that.
post #82 of 144
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And yet despite all that the IDF remains one of the most effective armies in history.

I'd be careful with this statement, given the enemies in question.

When I think history and effective armies, I think Napoleon's army, Washington's army, and yes, unfortunately, the Nazi army, which was terribly effective for many years. Comparing the armies these organizations did battle with with a bunch of ill-equipped, poorly paid, and badly trained enemies Israel has done battle with is a little silly IMO.

Just saying.
post #83 of 144
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Originally Posted by gnatty8 View Post
I'd be careful with this statement, given the enemies in question.

When I think history and effective armies, I think Napoleon's army, Washington's army, and yes, unfortunately, the Nazi army, which was terribly effective for many years. Comparing the armies these organizations did battle with with a bunch of ill-equipped, poorly paid, and badly trained enemies Israel has done battle with is a little silly IMO.

Just saying.

I'm guessing you're not familiar with how most 20th century military historians view some of Israel's victories as nothing short of miracles.
post #84 of 144
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Originally Posted by Steve Smith View Post
No, if I had meant to say that, I would have. I am only relating my opinions which are based my upon firsthand experiences. "Well fed" is a good thing, even for a military organization. As for painting the US services as "often overweight", I won't even bother with that.

Well the overweight issue is just a fact. It was all over the news a couple years ago. Even prisons in the US are having an obesity epidemic.
post #85 of 144
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Well the overweight issue is just a fact. It was all over the news a couple years ago. Even prisons in the US are having an obesity epidemic.
It's true I saw a bunch of fattie Marines down at MCRD San Diego. They were mostly pogues.
post #86 of 144
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I'm guessing you're not familiar with how most 20th century military historians view some of Israel's victories as nothing short of miracles.

You would be guessing correct. I judge an army's effectiveness by the enemies they were triumphant over. The south side Crips could probably have prevailed over the enemies that have Israel has triumphed over.

Once again, when I am trying to think of impressive armies, the Israeli army does not spring to mind too often. Compared to the armies I mentioned above, I don't think anyone could argue that one. The German army held the entire world at bay for years in both the first and second world war, and they were not fighting forces who came mounted for battle on camels and Toyota trucks.
post #87 of 144
So if they are french why dont they have nicer uniforms? Just wondering, they should be a little nicer, no?
post #88 of 144
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Originally Posted by gnatty8 View Post
You would be guessing correct. I judge an army's effectiveness by the enemies they were triumphant over. The south side Crips could probably have prevailed over the enemies that have Israel has triumphed over.

Once again, when I am trying to think of impressive armies, the Israeli army does not spring to mind too often. Compared to the armies I mentioned above, I don't think anyone could argue that one. The German army held the entire world at bay for years in both the first and second world war, and they were not fighting forces who came mounted for battle on camels and Toyota trucks.

Your lack of knowledge is absolutely stunning. You might possibly be the dumbest person on Style Forum. Congratulations.
post #89 of 144
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Your lack of knowledge is absolutely stunning. You might possibly be the dumbest person on Style Forum. Congratulations.

Thank you. However, if your posts are any indication, you are running a close second. For example, check your spelling of morale in #79..
post #90 of 144
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Thank you. However, if your posts are any indication, you are running a close second. For example, check your spelling of morale in #79..

Wow, you can check spelling! Congratulations, your job can be done by a computer.
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