PHV,June 27 2005,21:03 It's nice to know that you like food, but really, get over yourself.
I must say, after sitting here for many tolerable minutes reading this elaborate display of mannerisms do's and don't, which by the way, I personally could care less about whether or not the man next to me has good/bad etiquette.....the above statement must be one of the rudest most outrageously stupid comments from a member placing a direct attack on a gentleman I happen to know over his right to a dining experience. I certainly do not defend any one persons particular quirkiness, however, in an upstanding fine restaurant or any other environment for that manner which a person should conduct himself/herself with a touch of class, should we not agree that part of the experience lies within the overall atmosphere as well. I will say, if dining with Jerry, and we were to be seated next to a man wearing a hat, and this bothered him, if he were to ask to be seated in another place, I would not personally hesitate to agree. The whole reason for going into a fine restaurant is not completely the food, but the overall ambience. It is not that the chefs tremble at his footsteps, but more, they appreciate the patronage and the referrals from a man that has extremely good taste in fine wine, food, and hopefully company, which I have no doubt. IMO, it is this statement from the NEW age adults that is putting a ruin to this fine place we call home.
with your elite food doyens and captains of industry forming your ominous possy of old world etiquette and values.
If the younger people of today's world would learn from the higher etiquette standards of the past, we could gain some respectability around the world. But Americans are viewed as boorish disgusting people in many places because of the lack of class in many an upbringing. As I said, I personally would not take offense to a man wearing a hat in any restaurant, I would laugh aloud, not because I am rude, but more because of the fact that his parents did not have the decency to raise him to know better. Now that said, I have dined with Jerry, on more than one occasion, and his taste in restaurants and fine wine is only out-weighed by his class and thoughtfulness, so if this man does not want to be seated next to someone who has relatively low class and selesteem, and prefers to enjoy the atmosphere and experience of an upperclass quality restaurant, then I say, grab hold of your ominous old world etiquette and values and Michelle and I will be more than happy to join you again.
There is nothing new age about me, save for my actual age. Again, I very much hold onto the values that were taught to me by my parents, who came from a background that discretely judged a person's character based on their social graces and table etiquette. At the same time, I am also aware of the changing times in which such values are becoming antiquated. Instead of kicking and screaming about the whole thing, I am slowly realizing that you cannot hold others to that standard as was once expected in fine restaurants. The best you can do is to conduct yourself in the manner which you were taught, do it quietly and gracefully, and if there is a horde of barbarians, continue on in your quiet way. If there is a man in a ball cap next to me, I'd definately make a joke to whoever is at my table. However, I usually have enough confidence in the company I keep to engage my mind to a degree that a man in a ball cap will not disturb me enough to ruin a beautiful atmosphere. If the table is excessively loud, then I definately would do something, as I did once at a new trendy place in Montreal. I was out with my mother and a friend of mine. They were cursing and being total jackasses. If it had been just my friend and I, I'd probably forget it. But since my mother was being subjected to half the sailor's dictionary, and even against her urging that she was not bothered, I got up and asked that they move them, or remove them. The manager obviously got the people out of there. I don't disagree with the values being spoken of here. I simply think that we have to get over some of the mannerisms that perhaps are not relavant anymore. Don't ever spout that new age BS on me. I am a violinist, and am studying to do that on a high level. The music I play is sometimes 400 years old, and the level of decorum and protocol adhered to in this art is staggering. What we are realizing, is that audiences are changing, and thus so must we. Of course I'd like to play an all Ysaye program, but most people will be bored out of their minds by the time I start the Obsession. I understand, but I have to respectfully disagree.