Originally Posted by JohnnyCrockett
What you and most of MC needs is a pair of APCs only sold in their own store in NYC (maybe their other stores worldwide as well?) The NYC store will ship them to you. They are not in catalogs or available at any online retailers, I believe.
It's called the Original Standard and is identical in fit to the New Standard except that it has a higher rise (forget if it's 1" or 2" higher). This is what they used to call the "Standard" years ago when the brand became famous, before we were told to wear our jeans at scrotum-level. I believe it was the original model which gave APC the praise for making a "better, truer Levis 501."
Order the same size you wear in the NS (I size down 2") if you want it to fit like the NS in the legs (just with extra rise). If you want a less tight fit, wear something between your regular pants size and sizing down 2". I am a skinny guy and found my pair of NS unwearable if I put them anywhere near my natural waist (i.e., if I tried to look like an adult). I have since bought two pairs of OS and they are fantastic. I did the whole raw denim thing on one of them -- washing infrequently, waiting for "sick fades". The other pair I started washing regularly (i.e., once ever 3-5 wears) from the first day I had them. The results are...interesting. The babied pair look as one would expect - pretty well-worn in certain areas, fading, etc. The other pair which I washed regularly look like normal well-fitting jeans (almost like a Levis 501 stonewash indigo type color). I like that. I don't want people to pay attention to my jeans. I want them ornament free, slim-ish, and of some quality.
Very interesting, how much were the APC OS, the same $165 as the rest of the raw collection?
Also, for those who don't like a lot of guess work, I got a pair of NS at Barney's called Marine Noir. Basically they're super dark w/o contrast stitching. However, the size is less subject to massive stretching, as they have some synthetic material in them. Still size down a bunch, but how they fit when you buy them won't change much (from my experience). I have a 29 in both this and the raw, so they run really, really big (not baggy, just above the tagged size).