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I would also add that geometry and stranding can act as a natural shield in some cases.
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I would also add that geometry and stranding can act as a natural shield in some cases.

Twisting the natural definition of "shield" is certainly one way to make your point.

--Andre
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Twisting the natural definition of "shield" is certainly one way to make your point.

--Andre

Nah, it was just an observation.
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Another personal attack. How classy of you.

No, not a personal attack but a statement of certitude.
A personal attack would contain lots of bold HUEG LETTERS along with IMAGESPAM.

Your statements that are steeped in your 'learning' are being whittled down to nothing by Spez. and Andre amongst others.. those with critical reasoning.

Prove me wrong, take the ABX test with Spez.
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I do not subscribe to "proprietary" geometry sales tactics for standard wire, although I do believe it can create differences in sound. As to blind cable tests, I have heard a material difference between cables in blind tests. I do not correlate price with quality in cables, nor do I correlate cable quality in one set up as a sign of an ideal match in a different set up. I own Virtual Dynamics speaker cables. Prior to taking this leap, I was a moderate cable skeptic and used only Signal Cable Silver Resolution cables -- to my ear, SC has the perfect price/performance ratio, especially if picked up on the secondary market. I run VD Master speaker bi-wire cables in a true shotgun configuration. I use both VD ICs (Master LE 2.0) as well as VD Masters. Currently I have a combination of VD and Signal Cable silver PCs. IMO, VD produces some of the only technologically enhanced cables in the marketplace. In other words, they do more than simply "treat" basic copper or silver. Whether or not one agrees that the technologies achieve specific technical results, I find the cables truly open up the sound and work exceptionally well in my set up.
post #231 of 278
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Twisting the natural definition of "shield" is certainly one way to make your point.

--Andre
Twisting definitions of shit should remain in the CEsspool, thank you very much.
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Twisting definitions of shit should remain in the CEsspool, thank you very much.

Ew. That's like something some silverback gorilla would do.
post #233 of 278
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Wrong. Interconnects are mostly shielded. Most speaker cables are not. Speaker cables don't need shielding because the signal levels (30V rail-to-rail, and single-digit Amperage) are much higher, and impedances lower. Also, shielded speaker cables don't make sense for the same reason shielded power cables don't make sense: there are huge holes in the shield at either end of the cable. Most speakers are wood, and the binding post interface to an amp is pretty open. Huntsman, when you saw power line harmonics in your FFT, what were you measuring? --Andre
Thank you -- I didn't know the voltages were that high (actually, I had no idea whatsoever). My measurements were of the output from a very sensitive transducer that has 100mV full scale output, and as they are in an industrial environment they are subject to a host of noise sources -- inductive, capacitive, magnetic, and conductive -- the whole works. The single ended, unshielded cables were pretty susceptible, but I have the more sensitive xducers connected via differential inputs, running through shielded cable. Still had 60hz harmonics until I tracked down the pesky ground loop. This stuff is new to me, not my field, so apologies if my language is off. Are you an EE? You speak like one.
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I would also add that geometry and stranding can act as a natural shield in some cases.
I acknowledge that I don't know a lot about this stuff, but I do know that's not true. A shield 'intercepts' as it were, interfering signals that would otherwise strike yous signal cables, and conducts them to ground. If the signal cables are carrying those signals they are muddying your source, period. The best geometry and stranding can due is to balance the noise across the conductors in such a way that it is common to both, and then is rejected by the processing equipment. That's not shielding. ~ H
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No, not a personal attack but a statement of certitude.
A personal attack would contain lots of bold HUEG LETTERS along with IMAGESPAM.

Your statements that are steeped in your 'learning' are being whittled down to nothing by Spez. and Andre amongst others.. those with critical reasoning.

Prove me wrong, take the ABX test with Spez.

Bullshit. Andre and Spazz have no recording experience and don't know what they are talking about. Spazz is just flat wrong on most things and Andre is just an electrical engineer and uses audio as a dick measuring contest. Lots of book knowledge and no practical experience with cables, microphones, or power conditions in a professional recording environment.

I will continue to share what I have learned. If you want to be ignorant and make personal attacks with no basis in fact then that will reflect poorly on you.

I will never do an ABX test with Spazz because he clearly has an agenda and is in no position to create an objective testing environment.
post #235 of 278
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I do not subscribe to "proprietary" geometry sales tactics for standard wire, although I do believe it can create differences in sound.

As to blind cable tests, I have heard a material difference between cables in blind tests. I do not correlate price with quality in cables, nor do I correlate cable quality in one set up as a sign of an ideal match in a different set up.

I own Virtual Dynamics speaker cables. Prior to taking this leap, I was a moderate cable skeptic and used only Signal Cable Silver Resolution cables -- to my ear, SC has the perfect price/performance ratio, especially if picked up on the secondary market.

I run VD Master speaker bi-wire cables in a true shotgun configuration. I use both VD ICs (Master LE 2.0) as well as VD Masters. Currently I have a combination of VD and Signal Cable silver PCs.

IMO, VD produces some of the only technologically enhanced cables in the marketplace. In other words, they do more than simply "treat" basic copper or silver. Whether or not one agrees that the technologies achieve specific technical results, I find the cables truly open up the sound and work exceptionally well in my set up.

I'm glad your cables are working well for you but there are several cable makers with real technology such as Kimber, Cardas, Harmonic, Nordost, Synergistic, etc.
post #236 of 278
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I acknowledge that I don't know a lot about this stuff, but I do know that's not true. A shield 'intercepts' as it were, interfering signals that would otherwise strike yous signal cables, and conducts them to ground. If the signal cables are carrying those signals they are muddying your source, period. The best geometry and stranding can due is to balance the noise across the conductors in such a way that it is common to both, and then is rejected by the processing equipment. That's not shielding.

~ H

Sorry H but I know enough cable theory to know there are ways to twist wires in a way to reject RFI and EMI. I mentioned this as an observation above as it is not shielding but has similar results.

Often simple things like crossing power cords at 90 degree angles to audio cables can do wonders. Shielding is especially important on phono cables in my experience.
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Most mainstream cable yes; not so sure on the better high end cable.

Holy shit. Something Artisan Fan is not so sure of!

Remember this day, gentlemen. Such a moment, should never be forgotten!

post #238 of 278
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Sorry H but I know enough cable theory to know there are ways to twist wires in a way to reject RFI and EMI. I mentioned this as an observation above as it is not shielding but has similar results. Often simple things like crossing power cords at 90 degree angles to audio cables can do wonders. Shielding is especially important on phono cables in my experience.
Why the sorry if you are agreeing with me that what you said was shielding isn't shielding, merely that it "has similar results?" Anyway, I rather doubt if it is rejection, more that it allows the end components to reject the signals if they are sufficiently capable of identifying them. This is the Twilight Zone of threads for sheer weirdness. I think I shall refrain from comment as my knowledge is insufficient to debug the commentary. Should have paid more attention in EE class... ~ H
post #239 of 278
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Lots of book knowledge and no practical experience with cables, microphones, or power conditions in a professional recording environment.
How much professional recording experience points do you need before you can violate physics? Can a level 11 Professional Recording Engineer can bend space and time?
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Sorry H but I know enough cable theory to know there are ways to twist wires in a way to reject RFI and EMI.
That's not shielding, which is why they call it twisting. Twisting addresses different RF phenomena than shielding. Even if I accept your tortured definition of shielding, you still haven't said why noise rejection is important in a low-impedance system with high-level signals, nor have you explained how the giant holes at the end of the shields don't completely compromise the shielding properties of speaker cables.
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Still had 60hz harmonics until I tracked down the pesky ground loop.
Ground loops are tough and insidious, and shields will often exacerbate such problems because they're often haphazardly connected to ground.
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This stuff is new to me, not my field, so apologies if my language is off. Are you an EE? You speak like one.
You already know more than AF. I have an EE background, but I learned a lot of what I know because of the audio hobby. Real-life EEs look at this hobby and just . --Andre
post #240 of 278
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Bullshit. Andre and Spazz have no recording experience and don't know what they are talking about. Spazz is just flat wrong on most things and Andre is just an electrical engineer and uses audio as a dick measuring contest. Lots of book knowledge and no practical experience with cables, microphones, or power conditions in a professional recording environment.

I will continue to share what I have learned. If you want to be ignorant and make personal attacks with no basis in fact then that will reflect poorly on you.

I will never do an ABX test with Spazz because he clearly has an agenda and is in no position to create an objective testing environment.


Seems to be a particular trait amongst many born agains.
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