or Connect
Styleforum › Forums › Culture › Fine Living, Home, Design & Auto › Best Speaker Cables?
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Best Speaker Cables? - Page 14

post #196 of 278
The subject of this thread is akin to a neighbor asking if he can come over and screw your wife. Nothing but trouble, unless you're a little kinky.
post #197 of 278
Quote:
Originally Posted by audiophilia View Post
The subject of this thread is akin to a neighbor asking if he can come over and screw your wife. Nothing but trouble, unless you're a little kinky.

How much was your power cord?
post #198 of 278
Quote:
Originally Posted by A Y View Post
That's not necessarily true. Things like the quality of power coming from the wall and the actual position of the cord are still different and could account for all the differences if you were swapping cords. If you were comparing two cords simultaneously, then you have to account for equipment differences, which can be significant even when comparing identical models due to component variation, as well as power cord position, and the use of different physical outlets.

You are just grasping here Andre. The ac cord position and gear were all the same. The outlet was the same.
post #199 of 278
Quote:
Originally Posted by audiophilia View Post
The subject of this thread is akin to a neighbor asking if he can come over and screw your wife. Nothing but trouble, unless you're a little kinky.

I was hoping you might provide some backup here.
post #200 of 278
Quote:
Originally Posted by JetBlast View Post
I just realized you audio nuts are probably just making this shit up to confuse us. I could buy a set of Best Buy speakers and it would sound no different.
Completely incorrect. I do not believe in any of the cable bullshit. I use Radioshack's higher end cables because they are constructed well (unlike a pair of Monster cables I had where one of the RCA connectors simply fell off). I did, on the other hand, recently acquire a pair of B&W Nautilus 802s. They sound a lot better than what's at Best Buy.
post #201 of 278
You are using 802s with Rat Shack cable? I think that's a good illustration of what I am up against here on Slander Forum.
post #202 of 278
Quote:
Originally Posted by Artisan Fan View Post
Slander Forum.

Not very catchy.
post #203 of 278
Quote:
Originally Posted by iammatt View Post
Not very catchy.
Should we help Artifran invent a new name for Styleforvm? Bileforum?
post #204 of 278
Quote:
Originally Posted by RJmanbearpig View Post
Should we help Artifran invent a new name for Styleforvm? Bileforum?

Credit where credit is due.
post #205 of 278
Quote:
Originally Posted by iammatt View Post
Not very catchy.

Agreed, not one of my better efforts. I'm open to suggestions.
post #206 of 278
Quote:
Originally Posted by Artisan Fan View Post
You are just grasping here Andre. The ac cord position and gear were all the same. The outlet was the same.

If you're going to bring in secondary effects like cables, power cords, and picosecond jitter sensitivity, then all these other factors are just as important, if not more so. For example, if you believe that power cable shielding is important, then the position and orientation of the cable becomes important because EMI susceptibility depends on those things. If you believe that crystal grain boundaries are important, then the shape of the cable and how many times it's been bent and which way it's been bent is very important.

Component variations (in resistors, caps, and ICs) alone cause bigger deviations than any of these supposed effects, even for identical designs! Temperature changes in the atmosphere cause bigger changes. How do you account for any of these things?

It always amazes me that people worry so much about these fringe effects when there are much bigger fundamental problems in their systems that go unfixed. For example, you have a coffee table in the middle of your listening room between you and the speakers. The reflections off that table is several orders of magnitude higher than any of these crazy-ass cable effects you're trying to solve. Your tube amp's output impedance is so high that the frequency response distortion on your speakers completely dwarfs any effect a speaker cable (even one suspended on styrofoam cups) could have. If you can't hear that distortion, I'm not sure what business you have trying to hear artifacts more than 100 dB below it.

The gaping chasm between real problems and these fringe problems is like worrying about the number of plies of the thread in the stitches of an interior pocket's buttonhole when the suit you're wearing is 10 sizes off.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Artisan Fan View Post
You are using 802s with Rat Shack cable? I think that's a good illustration of what I am up against here on Slander Forum.

There is nothing inherently wrong with using RatShack cables with 802s. Are you now going to assert your own opinion over someone's experience?

--Andre
post #207 of 278
Quote:
Originally Posted by Artisan Fan View Post
I was hoping you might provide some backup here.
Honestly, AF, do you ever think you'll change the minds around here? Kudos for you for the attempt, though. But really, if you hear differences, more power to you. I was just interviewed about audiophiles/high end audio for a Podcast and actually mentioned a couple of these threads, but not the forum. I can PM you the link if you like. Cheers...
post #208 of 278
Quote:
Originally Posted by audiophilia View Post
Honestly, AF, do you ever think you'll change the minds around here? Kudos for you for the attempt, though. But really, if you hear differences, more power to you. I was just interviewed about audiophiles/high end audio for a Podcast and actually mentioned a couple of these threads, but not the forum. I can PM you the link if you like. Cheers...

Sure, send the link. Thanks.

I'm just trying to share some of what I have learned in audio but it doesn't seem to be valued.
post #209 of 278
post #210 of 278
Quote:
Originally Posted by unpainted huffheinz View Post
These threads wouldn't exist if people knew what power transformers and phased locked loops were.

The transformer that takes the high voltage AC to ultra low voltage DC completely synthesizes the DC power signal. Also, the DC pulse trains that digital circuits use exactly resembles, wait for it, the most awful, dirtiest AC signal possible. So how can supplying 'cleaner' AC power to a circuit that doesn't even run off of AC nor expects a sine wave alternating current possibly make a difference?

Didn't you know that ArtisanFran is a AC/DC kinda guy?
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
Styleforum › Forums › Culture › Fine Living, Home, Design & Auto › Best Speaker Cables?