While I'm on here, I just don't know what to say about these AE's. I don't know if I'm supposed to wear them with linen pants on a hot summer day or display them on my dining room table at Thanksgiving with assorted gourds and other vegetables spilling out of them.
And from the estimable Kellyb33 (with pictures!), these black full brogues - 12C US. Check on the size with these. Since 12C is written in the shoes, unless these were sold by a US retailer and marked in US sizing, these could be 12.5 US and could be a very narrow C (US):
They were French Shriners--a weak brand, in my experience, but I just wanted a new pair of shoes for wear with jeans, and $25 for shell? why not. I'll see how they are when they get here. They look pretty old.