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post #5341 of 14986
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Originally Posted by A Harris View Post
The seller must read this thread because earlier the auction quoted a lower price @ Neimans, not Nordstrom.

Yeah, plus it said $450 at Neiman's, then it was changed to $675 at Nordstrom's. Looks like someone named orca_seller bought them...
post #5342 of 14986
i have to disagree on the brampton.

i have dealt with the brampton before and although uniquely asymmetrical , the shoe is lovely imo.

here it is in parisian brown,




although not as lovely as these beauties



the brampton is still a very striking shoe when worn. they look a bit plain when they arent in real life.


let me say again, photos just dont do any justice to how they really look and feel. above also.
you lack the 3d effect in depth and lines and curves when you see just a photo.

the above sandons dont look that good in the photo.
post #5343 of 14986
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Originally Posted by vinouspleasure View Post
thanks to everyone, I really appreciate the help. I purchased these and now I'm mulling over if I should look at it like I've saved $400 or spent more on a pair of shoes than ever before. I suppose both... opinions on these woud be appreciated: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=140138838686
Ah, nevermind - orca_seller must be vinouspleasure. Well those Tramezzas are nice, but the high bidder appears to be someone with veeeery deep pockets... and very decadent taste
post #5344 of 14986
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Originally Posted by diorshoe View Post
i have to disagree on the brampton.

i have dealt with the brampton before and although uniquely asymmetrical , the shoe is lovely imo.

here it is in parisian brown,




although not as lovely as these beauties



the brampton is still a very striking shoe when worn. they look a bit plain when they arent in real life.


let me say again, photos just dont do any justice to how they really look and feel. above also.
you lack the 3d effect in depth and lines and curves when you see just a photo.

the above sandons dont look that good in the photo.

What last are the sandons on? Those are dead sexy.
post #5345 of 14986
the sandons are on the 4800 last . it supposed to be a chisel toe 8000 that is what i heard.

you should see these in person and slowly rotate the shoes, the lines and curves are really sexy , thanks GQ



post #5346 of 14986
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Originally Posted by dkzzzz View Post
I love the advise given here sometimes. It is accurate to a complete opposite.
I agree re Santoni. I have seen plenty of Blake shoes in the FAM line including some posted by members here who thought they were Norvegese and did not want to hear the truth. Furthermore, many of the Limited Edition shoes are blake stitched. It is a company that makes some nice shoes but you really have to know what you are doing and keep your eyes open.

As with everything, the desire to have shoes that are made a certain way seems to lead people to claim that they are, whether or not that is true. This has come up about a number of shoe lines including Kiton and the amount of misinformation can be staggering.
post #5347 of 14986
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Originally Posted by iammatt View Post
re Santoni.

Not a Fran of most of their styles.
post #5348 of 14986
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Originally Posted by iammatt View Post
I agree re Santoni. I have seen plenty of Blake shoes in the FAM line including some posted by members here who thought they were Norvegese and did not want to hear the truth. Furthermore, many of the Limited Edition shoes are blake stitched. It is a company that makes some nice shoes but you really have to know what you are doing and keep your eyes open.

As with everything, the desire to have shoes that are made a certain way seems to lead people to claim that they are, whether or not that is true. This has come up about a number of shoe lines including Kiton and the amount of misinformation can be staggering.

By the same token, I find it staggering how some people will be quick to denigrate a shoe simply because it is not welted or if it is welted, because it is not hand welted and if it is hand welted...... etc. Obviously, there is a price/value question along with a comparables question but everytime i hear "that is a beautiful shoe, but it's blake stitched so I wouldn't wear it" Why? Given the fact that most people here have 20+ shoes, longevity with these shoes is really not a question. Also, where is the empirical evidence that shows goodyear welting outlasting blake stitching or hand welting outlasting machine welting? It's the same with the super120's/140's/180's/500's or whatever argument or the Oxxford has more handstitching than others argument. I find a lot of people get stuck on certain brands and construction and almost overlook fit, cut and style. For my tastes, it is irrelevent the amount of handwork or the quality of brands like Oxxford or Lattanzi as I have not seen anything from them that I would wear. The other side of the coin is that the construction of brands like Borrelli,Isaia,Boglioli Mantellassi is irrelevant to me as I love the way the stuff fits me and like the styling.
post #5349 of 14986
I agree with you, but when you are talking about giving actual "facts" that turn out time and time again to be untrue it is different than saying "I like these shoes because they look nice."
post #5350 of 14986
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I have seen plenty of Blake shoes in the FAM line including some posted by members here who thought they were Norvegese and did not want to hear the truth. Furthermore, many of the Limited Edition shoes are blake stitched. It is a company that makes some nice shoes but you really have to know what you are doing and keep your eyes open.

Their lines have indeed become somewhat confused as of late. Lots of machine made shoes with the FAM designation. Still, for every couple of ugly models with dodgy construction that they turn out, they make one that is genuinely drool-worthy. I like the line for that. Especially the US market models as they are generally much less fashion forward than the European production.
post #5351 of 14986
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By the same token, I find it staggering how some people will be quick to denigrate a shoe simply because it is not welted or if it is welted, because it is not hand welted and if it is hand welted...... etc. Obviously, there is a price/value question along with a comparables question but everytime i hear "that is a beautiful shoe, but it's blake stitched so I wouldn't wear it" Why? Given the fact that most people here have 20+ shoes, longevity with these shoes is really not a question. Also, where is the empirical evidence that shows goodyear welting outlasting blake stitching or hand welting outlasting machine welting? It's the same with the super120's/140's/180's/500's or whatever argument or the Oxxford has more handstitching than others argument. I find a lot of people get stuck on certain brands and construction and almost overlook fit, cut and style. For my tastes, it is irrelevent the amount of handwork or the quality of brands like Oxxford or Lattanzi as I have not seen anything from them that I would wear. The other side of the coin is that the construction of brands like Borrelli,Isaia,Boglioli Mantellassi is irrelevant to me as I love the way the stuff fits me and like the styling.

Very true and my 'policy' towards clothing. However it would be nice to be armed with some knowledge on construction/ quality to avoid the rubbish like mainline Bally that falls apart on you despite it reputation and price tag.
post #5352 of 14986
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By the same token, I find it staggering how some people will be quick to denigrate a shoe simply because it is not welted or if it is welted, because it is not hand welted and if it is hand welted...... etc. Obviously, there is a price/value question along with a comparables question but everytime i hear "that is a beautiful shoe, but it's blake stitched so I wouldn't wear it" Why? Given the fact that most people here have 20+ shoes, longevity with these shoes is really not a question. Also, where is the empirical evidence that shows goodyear welting outlasting blake stitching or hand welting outlasting machine welting? It's the same with the super120's/140's/180's/500's or whatever argument or the Oxxford has more handstitching than others argument. I find a lot of people get stuck on certain brands and construction and almost overlook fit, cut and style. For my tastes, it is irrelevent the amount of handwork or the quality of brands like Oxxford or Lattanzi as I have not seen anything from them that I would wear. The other side of the coin is that the construction of brands like Borrelli,Isaia,Boglioli Mantellassi is irrelevant to me as I love the way the stuff fits me and like the styling.

I don't disagree with this on the whole. The problem for me is when companies turning out completely machine made shoes claim their product is 'handmade', when it is at most hand polished. We can and have argued on this forum whether hand welting makes for an objectively better shoe. But that is sort of beside the point - the point being that actually handmade shoes take a lot more work to produce, and therefore tend to be more expensive. And people are mentally prepared to pay more for handmade product. Unfortunately there is little to no market in the US for truly handmade shoes, because pretty much every pricey machine made shoe on the market is already being (dishonestly) represented as 'handmade'. How are stores then supposed to market the actually handmade shoes? Extra handmade? Super handmade? You see the problem. There has been a lot of discussion lately about overly hyped 'hand tailored' clothing brands. Yet those companies can't hold a candle to the BS being shoveled on the customer in the high end shoe market.

So to make a long rant short, if you like machine welted or blake shoes, more power to you! I have a few myself. The caveat being if that is what they are, that is how they should be sold.
post #5353 of 14986
1. 9C US. Black. This is the standard "Golf Oxford" (No. 641) with the "Ridgeway" sole, one of Weston's heavy lug soles. Size would be close to a 9US in a C width, but be careful re Weston sizing, as some folks have had problems. These retail at Sky Valet for $750 (sometimes for less on sale) and for more than that in the Weston store in NYC. They're a terrifically sturdy and well-made shoe. These come with Weston trees.

http://cgi.ebay.com/WESTON-GOLF-8C-4...QQcmdZViewItem

2. 8.5/9D US. Light Brown pebbled leather. NIB. This is a variation of the Golf that I have seen referred to as the "4 X 4." See comments above re size, These have what appears to be a standard Vibram sole, although it is stamped W for Weston. They would be excellent, well-made shoes for rough wear. Retail price should, I would imagine, be about that of the standard Golf model. This one doesn't appear in the Weston catalog.

http://cgi.ebay.com/WESTON-GOLF-MARR...QQcmdZViewItem
post #5354 of 14986
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I agree with you, but when you are talking about giving actual "facts" that turn out time and time again to be untrue it is different than saying "I like these shoes because they look nice."

I think one my first posts here stated that I didn't understand why santoni would dilute their brand with different construction methods for the FAM designated shoes.

Given the link that was posted to the bishop model:
http://www.haroldsintheheights.com/s...derbishop.html

I felt comfortable that these were welted and at the price, it seemed like a good deal. Has there been varying construction within a model (ie. some bishops are welted, some are not)?

To be honest, I would have liked the shoe in brown and of course, I'm not sure how the it will fit. My thought was that there was enough interest in the shoe that once I received it, I could always put it back on ebay and get close to what i paid.
post #5355 of 14986
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Originally Posted by vinouspleasure View Post
I think one my first posts here stated that I didn't understand why santoni would dilute their brand with different construction methods for the FAM designated shoes.

Given the link that was posted to the bishop model:
http://www.haroldsintheheights.com/s...derbishop.html

I felt comfortable that these were welted and at the price, it seemed like a good deal. Has there been varying construction within a model (ie. some bishops are welted, some are not)?

To be honest, I would have liked the shoe in brown and of course, I'm not sure how the it will fit. My thought was that there was enough interest in the shoe that once I received it, I could always put it back on ebay and get close to what i paid.

Getting $800 for Santoni's on ebay is a tall order.
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