These could be a good deal for someone. I have this model, also in black, and have found it to be ideal for more formal occasions. Despite the listing title, it's a balmoral, not a derby, and is a wholecut. I got mine new and had the soles trimmed a little and the sole edges refinished by a cobbler (about a $15 job) to make them a little sleeker. They are on the C&J 318 last, which is a very attractive one, to my eye at least, being pretty sleek without being as extremely so as the 348. The 318 is what Gaziano & Girling would call a "soft square last." The seller's pictures really don't present the shoes to advantage; they look better than that! They're no longer in the C&J catalog, although they were in the 2005/06 one. If you're interested, be careful about the stated size. I suspect it is given as 8 1/2 UK, which would really translate to 42.5 Euro, not 43, and to something on the order of 9 - 9.5 US--perhaps what might be called a 'small' 9.5. An e-mail to the seller would clarify this and answer any other questions.