Originally Posted by highvoltorb
I wouldn't say they're exactly trying to be deceptive. Raw can be sanforized and unsanforized like Chet said. It's still raw. I still don't know how I feel about Tellason though. I liked the one pair I had before I sold them, but I'm not sure if they're $200+ jeans. Josh Gustin (of Gustin) assured me they use the same sewing factory as Tellason in SF and use many of the same exact denims and sell practically the exact same jeans for $100+ less. I've read elsewhere that the Cone denim that Tellason uses is exclusive to them, but I doubt that it's $100+ more.
Edit: To add to the deceptive thing, it's Cone Mills in North Carolina who is sanforizing the denim and not Tellason. So it's completely fair to say that Tellason uses no water in the process of making their jeans.
I completely forgot to respond to this post earlier, perhaps for the best, as a response from my phone would have been jumbled at best...
I didn't realize that raw denim could have been wet-processed before dyeing. I always assumed that it meant that the denim had never been wet-processed. Lesson learned I suppose! I guess I wasted my time soaking the Tellasons. I'm not sure how I feel about this... I'd been hoping that I could stretch out the jeans just a bit. I suppose I still can, it's just going to take some wearings!
In theory, I like Gustin's business model more than Tellasons. I love the fact that they are both made in San Francisco. For me, this is about buying a product that was made locally... Where I find myself at odds with Gustin is the whole idea of crowdsourcing their production runs. On the surface, there's nothing wrong with this approach, but if I need a pair of jeans tomorrow (I don't know when this would be an issue, just making a point), I'm sure as hell not going to wait until some time in April for Gustin's next run... I'm going to run into my nearest Tellason (or maybe Roy Denim, which is also local and which I just learned about today!) dealer and try stuff on. Yeah, it's a bit of an instant gratification thing, but there's something to be said for supporting a brick and mortar retail shop too! I also feel that Gustin has this whole schtick about not believing in their product enough to commit to a full production run.
I'm working on a blog entry about regionalism in men's fashion, especially as it pertains to denim and "classic workwear", but for now, you're going to have to let it suffice for me to say that I support any company that sources materials locally and makes stuff HERE, wherever HERE happens to be. I first started down this track when I came across a pair of Raleigh Denim jeans a few short weeks ago and began to research them. This is leading me down a rabbit hole I never knew existed...