Originally Posted by Klobber
I would not be one to underestimate the power of a sub forum where members have buddied up (particularly through the PM system here or in personal chats via email / Skype, beers at local pub etc). That throws a different spill on the post to brag.
I will be hanging around Styleforum for the forseeable future, but my post counts are on a steady decline and that is purely a reflection that I have other activities distracting me at the moment.
I have stayed quiet on the Frenchy front - I did not know the fellow very well and had little time to form a feeling of dislike or friendship towards him. He certainly appeared to be quite the character, although whether this was really him or an alter ego behind the sanctuary of a keyboard I do not know.
I did not catch his so called comments deriding anything Jewish, so cannot give an opinion on what was written. With people nowadays joining the PC brigade, I would imagine that what he wrote was blown out of proportion. Enlighten me please what was written by Frenchy / Valium that caused this furor so I can understand more where this ban came from (i.e. deserved ban due to unjust bullying / harassment or undeserved due to him just pissing off some thin skinned bigwigs around here).
From the moderator perspective, there is no such thing as an all inclusive policy invoking the totality of free speech. This site could theoretically be shut down if certain topics come up - all it would take are one or two pro-terrorist supporters here to throw Styleforum in chaos and subject to FBI investigation. Same would happen if certain members came out pro-pedophilia in the name of free speech. Free speech is conditioned I presume on the laws of the land, and if racism or racist activity are deemed a serious violation of human rights, then so called free speech in support of this activity would surely be deemed subject to moderation and ban worthy.
Attorneys / lawyer members here, please enlighten me if I am way off base
Regarding terrorists and FBI investigations, here is a long-winded description of something that really did happen at AAAC.
There was a tie swap box, open to anyone, with neophytes encouraged to participate. As you might guess, the box ends up with some brand-new guy in California who sits on it. Days turn into weeks with no word. Finally, the joker surfaces, to much public derision, all deserved. There is some back and forth, with this idiot just digging himself a deeper hole, saying, among other things, that he doesn't even like ties in the first place. He promises to send the box along, but it doesn't happen, doesn't happen, doesn't happen. So I get his name and contact info from the person who sent the box to him and send him an email asking him to please send the box and I'll pay the postage if he's strapped. Well. He flames me on the thread, posting my real name, arrest record (it happens) and other stuff from the court docket. It turns into World War III before Mister Pussy whines to a mod, who shuts the thread down. Much behind-the-scenes PM'ing, which results in one of the guys who runs the forum (not Andy, who's a genuinely nice guy) calling me. He had spent an hour on the phone with Mister Pussy, who said that he was afraid for his life because someone on the thread had, jokingly, suggested sending him a package with something ticking inside. Mister Pussy told the mod that he had contacted the police and the FBI to report AAAC as a terrorist organization. And the mod took all of this seriously, saying I and others were to blame for some bozo who stole our tie box. The mod was concerned that Ask Andy would become a target for the feds. Really.
Mister Pussy also told the mod that he had turned the box over to the police. So, in hopes of getting the box back, I called the cops in California, who were very nice. Yup, he'd called police, but no report was taken (I can just imagine that conversation: "This is 911: What's your emergency?") And he hadn't turned the box over to the cops. He told the cops he'd donated it to some unknown thrift store. I PM'd the mod with my findings and guess what? Instead of doing the normal human thing and dismissing Mister Pussy as a stupid-ass pussy, the tie-swap thread was combed for any and all comments deemed untoward, put under monitoring with a whole bunch of tie-swap rules invented. The final insult was a lecture from Mister Asshole Moderator, who told everyone who had participated on the tie swap that they were out of line. Mister Pussy, who lied about sending the box and lied about giving it to the cops, never surfaced again.
That was when I quit AAAC, except for posting stuff on the thrift exchange. Lots of other folks who were valuable contributors quit about the same time for various reasons, all having to do with mods behaving like nitwits, banning folks who didn't deserve it and defending people who were assholes and issuing infractions to people who spoke truth.