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post #61 of 69
12/6/08 at 12:50pm
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Originally Posted by 70gransport View Post
Martial art is martial art, if your friend wants some sort of proficiency then he's going to have to put in the time. No martial art is easier to learn than the next you just have to put in your dues. Judo, BJJ, karate, wing chun, it doesn't matter, rather than looking for just judo or jujitsu what your friend should be looking for is a good teacher. It doesn't matter what you train because good fighting is good fighting, find a good teacher and don't bother with the style, style isn't as important when you've a good teacher and a student who is willing to learn

that is not entirely true. only if one had infintite tiem to learn martial arts would i truly agree with your statement. if one had to tiem to learn only one martial art adn not cross train then i would suggest one the many hybrids of striking, throwing and grappling. one is nto a master of any but can proabably be sufficent in most ranges minus weapons.
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post #62 of 69
12/6/08 at 9:46pm
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Originally Posted by 70gransport View Post
Martial art is martial art, if your friend wants some sort of proficiency then he's going to have to put in the time. No martial art is easier to learn than the next you just have to put in your dues. Judo, BJJ, karate, wing chun, it doesn't matter, rather than looking for just judo or jujitsu what your friend should be looking for is a good teacher. It doesn't matter what you train because good fighting is good fighting, find a good teacher and don't bother with the style, style isn't as important when you've a good teacher and a student who is willing to learn
If you learn just one thing today, learn not to listen to this guy. Dude, if you and I start from exactly the same base point, I do 3 classes a week of krav maga at a middle-of-the-road gym and you do tai chi every morning in the park with a 98 year old master, then meet for a no rules death match in a dark alley after six months, you are going to have some trouble.
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post #63 of 69
12/7/08 at 1:26pm
I don't see how you can downplay not finding a good teacher. If you learn boxing or jj from a crap teacher what do you think you'll get? I stand by the statement of finding a good teacher. Though I am curious as to your friends true intentions, if he wants to just get in shape maybe a gym would work nicely
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post #64 of 69
12/7/08 at 2:20pm
it's not whether you should find a good teacher that is so far out of whack here, recommending that someone find a good teacher is just stating the obvious. The stuff that is out of whack are statements like "No martial art is easier to learn than the next". Wrong. Boxing is easier to learn than karate. It is. Less movements, no katas, only involves handstrikes etc etc. I say that as a boxing person by the way, and I consider boxing a far better self defense style than karate. Same with "It doesn't matter what you train because good fighting is good fighting" - again, just wrong. See my krav v tai chi example above.
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post #65 of 69
12/7/08 at 3:30pm
Well, I'm not going to get into an argument of which style is better because that's just plain silly and wrong. All martial art worth its salt has stuck around because it works. If it didn't we wouldn't know of it today. Just because an art is esoteric does not mean it is better or worst than another art or style, just different. Yes, good fighting is good fighting no matter the style provided you find a competent teacher. So I will agree to disagree with you. Besides it appears that the TS stated his buddy found a school....wonder how that is going?
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post #66 of 69
12/7/08 at 3:41pm
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Well, I'm not going to get into an argument of which style is better because that's just plain silly and wrong. All martial art worth its salt has stuck around because it works. If it didn't we wouldn't know of it today. Just because an art is esoteric does not mean it is better or worst than another art or style, just different. Yes, good fighting is good fighting no matter the style provided you find a competent teacher. So I will agree to disagree with you. Besides it appears that the TS stated his buddy found a school....wonder how that is going?

no, styles survive because you can find idiots to pay for anything, espectially if you let them dress up in really cool pajamas and give them colorful belts every 3 months.
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post #67 of 69
12/7/08 at 4:13pm
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it's not whether you should find a good teacher that is so far out of whack here, recommending that someone find a good teacher is just stating the obvious.

The stuff that is out of whack are statements like "No martial art is easier to learn than the next". Wrong. Boxing is easier to learn than karate. It is. Less movements, no katas, only involves handstrikes etc etc. I say that as a boxing person by the way, and I consider boxing a far better self defense style than karate.

Same with "It doesn't matter what you train because good fighting is good fighting" - again, just wrong. See my krav v tai chi example above.

it would depend on the karate ad how it is taught though as well.
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post #68 of 69
12/7/08 at 4:21pm
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it would depend on the karate ad how it is taught though as well.

I would agree with this.

You can say boxing is good for self defense but there are plenty of cardio-boxing classes taught by fitness instructors that are no better for self defense then jogging and in fact my be more harmful. A good instructor teaching good self defense techniques and training is paramount.
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post #69 of 69
12/7/08 at 4:43pm
I see that we are off on a tangent again. I am surprised that no one has mentioned gun kata yet. I don't know any Judo, and I'm starting BJJ again after a long hiatus from serious training, and it is frustrating. It is not like riding a bike. More like learning an instrument (piano for me). After a long time of inactivity, your submissions get really rusty, you forget rudimentary things, and get caught in traps that you wouldn't have.

I would agree with Matt that for self defense, boxing or Muy Thai are probably the best for self defense, with good kenpo schools in the mix. I think that above all, a school that emphasizes full strength, full resistance sparring is critical. You don't have experience getting punched, choked, kicked, and you are not going to be a particularly good fighter.

One thing that BJJ teaches, though, is how not to panic. A lot of guys get panicked and claustrophobic and tense up (uselessly), when they are even partially immobilized or on their back or have their face smothered, and don't really have a presence of mind to defend themselves. In BJJ, you are on your back a lot, or have some large dude crushing down on you (I live in Idaho, and I swear, they grow people extra large here) all of the time, and just get used to it.
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