Brooks Brothers christmas sale

YoungFogey · Dec 26, 2008

I picked up a pair of C width black patent Peal oxfords, but I'm having some trouble identifying the manufacturer. Soles are not channeled, and one row of nails on the heel -- sounds like C&J, right? But the inside info is handwritten: "95C911", together with a bunch of codes underneath. C&J's don't have handwritten codes, do they?

Any ideas?

Steven Aver · Dec 26, 2008

Originally Posted by YoungFogey

I picked up a pair of C width black patent Peal oxfords, but I'm having some trouble identifying the manufacturer. Soles are not channeled, and one row of nails on the heel -- sounds like C&J, right? But the inside info is handwritten: "95C911", together with a bunch of codes underneath. C&J's don't have handwritten codes, do they?

Any ideas?

Show us a pic of the inner writing and we can tell you.

grimslade · Dec 26, 2008

I am of the opinion that the C&J patents are C&J-made, although I couldn't swear to it. Some C&J have handwritten codes, some don't.

AnGeLiCbOrIs · Dec 26, 2008

Originally Posted by YoungFogey

I picked up a pair of C width black patent Peal oxfords, but I'm having some trouble identifying the manufacturer. Soles are not channeled, and one row of nails on the heel -- sounds like C&J, right? But the inside info is handwritten: "95C911", together with a bunch of codes underneath. C&J's don't have handwritten codes, do they?

Any ideas?

I just saw lots of those at BB retail. I'm convinced that they are made by AS with just one row of nails. The writing and the sole itself make me certain they are AS.

Steven Aver · Dec 26, 2008

Originally Posted by AnGeLiCbOrIs

I just saw lots of those at BB retail. I'm convinced that they are made by AS with just one row of nails. The writing and the sole itself make me certain they are AS.

The AS plain toe Bluchers I am wearing right now are double row nailed. The inner writing is a good indicator though.

grimslade · Dec 26, 2008

Originally Posted by AnGeLiCbOrIs

I just saw lots of those at BB retail. I'm convinced that they are made by AS with just one row of nails. The writing and the sole itself make me certain they are AS.

One of the reasons I disagree is that the insole lacks the "Genuine Leather" stamp that I've seen on all the AS Peals:

The writing, it is true, is totally unlike C&J writing. It is also nigh indecipherable. Is that a date written in there?

Last data point: The sizing seems to say 120 D on the sole. Who does that?

Steven Aver · Dec 26, 2008

Originally Posted by grimslade

I am of the opinion that the C&J patents are C&J-made, although I couldn't swear to it. Some C&J have handwritten codes, some don't.

That is true. The Black Fleece CJ's are handwritten.

btw pics dont work ^^^^

grimslade · Dec 26, 2008

Really? Work for me. Refresh? If they still don't, I'll try agin.

AnGeLiCbOrIs · Dec 26, 2008

Originally Posted by grimslade

One of the reasons I disagree is that the insole lacks the "Genuine Leather" stamp that I've seen on all the AS Peals:

Sorry. I was talking about different shoes. BB currently has other Peal dress shoes that are made by AS with one row of nails.

rssmsvc · Dec 26, 2008

Question, I am thinking of picking up Dad a Black Fleece OCBD. I searched for opinions and is the difference in the regular Brooks and the Black Fleece just the trimness of the shirt. Is the collar style the same ?

I still will get him one if it is trim but I was hoping the collars were going to be softer like the ones he use to buy in the 60's.

voxsartoria · Dec 26, 2008

Originally Posted by rssmsvc

Question, I am thinking of picking up Dad a Black Fleece OCBD. I searched for opinions and is the difference in the regular Brooks and the Black Fleece just the trimness of the shirt. Is the collar style the same ?

I still will get him one if it is trim but I was hoping the collars were going to be softer like the ones he use to buy in the 60's.

The Black Fleece collars are unfused like with all of the North Carolina-made current BB OCBDs, ad are the same shape as what you would find today from BB, but they are also made from the same infernal current generation of "Supima" cotton. This is not the soft, floppy Supima sewn up in New Jersey and New York back in pre-Marks & Spencer ownership days. I have not seen that old type of Oxford cloth from any current maker, including Brooks Brothers.

Another way that Black Fleece differs from the standard Golden Fleece line (in addition to fit and certain details that are more expensive to execute) are MOP buttons, if that makes a difference to you.

- B

rssmsvc · Dec 26, 2008

Originally Posted by voxsartoria

The Black Fleece collars are unfused like with all of the North Carolina-made current BB OCBDs, ad are the same shape as what you would find today from BB, but they are also made from the same infernal current generation of "Supima" cotton. This is not the soft, floppy Supima sewn up in New Jersey and New York back in pre-Marks & Spencer ownership days. I have not seen that old type of Oxford cloth from any current maker, including Brooks Brothers.

Another way that Black Fleece differs from the standard Golden Fleece line (in addition to fit and certain details that are more expensive to execute) are MOP buttons, if that makes a difference to you.

- B

Thankyou, my Dad had about 30 from those days and now down to about 18 that are still fantastic and I have been looking for replacements for him. I really appreciate the help.

YoungFogey · Dec 26, 2008

Whilst I was taking photos and trying to upload them, Grimslade was kind enough to post them. Mine markings are the same. Seemingly the same handwriting as well.

grimslade · Dec 26, 2008

Originally Posted by AnGeLiCbOrIs

Sorry. I was talking about different shoes. BB currently has other Peal dress shoes that are made by AS with one row of nails.

Since nobody else seems to want to play the patent leather game, I'll just carry on. Someone else here once suggested that Church's made the patents. And it is true that the "120 D" sizing is a Church's practice that I haven't seen elsewhere. The illegible writing is also Church's-like. So, survey says?

Originally Posted by YoungFogey

Whilst I was taking photos and trying to upload them, Grimslade was kind enough to post them. Mine markings are the same. Seemingly the same handwriting as well.

I take it back; you were playing. You've got to be quick though.

mg428 · Dec 26, 2008

were the paddock boots and the perforated boots are the same? Of course except the perforation. What do you think the C&J last number(s) of these boots are?

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