The Bond Workout

Originally Posted by Cary Grant

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Craig was leaner than 16% in Casino Royale (speaking as somebody who knows what competition %'s look like).

What would you say he is in that photo?

lefty

This thread should be DT'd.

Originally Posted by why

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I won't get into this argument. You just have no clue what you're talking about.
Yeah, because if you took 50 regular guys off the streets from a cross-section of ethnicities and had them follow the same training regimen for a year, they'll look roughly the same since everyone is alike and has the same genetic disposition.

^can't negate diet. many people who train do not eat right nor nearly enough.

Originally Posted by why

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**** the genetics argument. Outside of anthropometry and genetic endocrine disorders, most people are pretty similar.

And training hours a day doesn't make you bigger or stronger unless you're on drugs.

That's really not accurate at all. Recent studies have shown that as simple a thing as environment can have a huge effect on the gut flora that causes people to break down different food differently. Bacteria, genetics, and what type of diet you ate early in life all play a large roll in your body composition, though of course all these things can be overcome.

Originally Posted by thekunk07

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^can't negate diet. many people who train do not eat right nor nearly enough.
when i used the term "training regimen," that certainly includes diet, rest, switching up training every 6-12 weeks, and cardio and whatever else. I didn't mean it to mean just lifting, because unlike what Why thinks, I know what i'm talking about.

^wasn't speaking to you specifically. just an aside as most people's diets are horrific. just look in front of you and behind you at the grocery store. amazes me what people will put in their bodies to sustain them.

Originally Posted by why

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If you seriously believe that 'genetics' crap you need to stop looking for excuses and start looking for a better way to train.

Your shortcomings aren't your parents'.



I won't get into this argument. You just have no clue what you're talking about.

No offense, but I think it's pretty common knowledge amongst anyone paying attention to medical research outside of t-nation.com or something that what you are saying is false. I

agree with you that people should not make excuses, but you are just plain wrong. Saying that people are identical makes no sense and common sense should tell you that fact. You can't train to be taller and not everyone can be a sprinter or a lineman. Anyone who was on a football team or a track team (I've been on both) can tell you that identical effort and exercise alone do not make two people have identical outcomes.

Joint size is a reliable predictor of how much muscle you can pack onto your frame. Genetics plays a pretty significant role. Yes diet is very important and a good routine can do more than you could ever imagine, but let's not delude ourselves into thinking we control more than we really do.

why's opinion here is terribly misinformed.

^yup. a mod amount of muscle on small joints looks more impressive than a lot on large ones. shawn ray was blessed with small joints but limited width due to pinched clavicles. everyone has issues. i have very wide shoulders (24.5" across at the widest point) but little chest depth in part due to the long clavicle.

kunk - Remind me not to ever make fun of your puffer jacket.

Originally Posted by CTGuy

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No offense, but I think it's pretty common knowledge amongst anyone paying attention to medical research outside of t-nation.com or something that what you are saying is false. I

agree with you that people should not make excuses, but you are just plain wrong. Saying that people are identical makes no sense and common sense should tell you that fact. You can't train to be taller and not everyone can be a sprinter or a lineman. Anyone who was on a football team or a track team (I've been on both) can tell you that identical effort and exercise alone do not make two people have identical outcomes.

Not even identical. For crying out loud - look at the federal prison system for an example. Many of those guys are monsters. You think they take their protein shakes 3 times a day and train properly? They just go into the yard and just lift. I did that in college and even better. No one would mistake me for felon, trust me.

Originally Posted by thekunk07

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...have gotten to 8% or so and wife prefers me a little beefier. was tested underwater a few weeks ago and i'm at @ 13% and weight 239 right now.

Man, you're as ripped as your avatar.

Originally Posted by CTGuy

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No offense, but I think it's pretty common knowledge amongst anyone paying attention to medical research outside of t-nation.com or something that what you are saying is false.


It;s not.

I agree with you that people should not make excuses, but you are just plain wrong. Saying that people are identical makes no sense and common sense should tell you that fact.

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I didn't say that.

You can't train to be taller and not everyone can be a sprinter or a lineman. Anyone who was on a football team or a track team (I've been on both) can tell you that identical effort and exercise alone do not make two people have identical outcomes.

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Oh please. Not being able to look like Daniel Craig and being an Olympic sprinter are two totally separate things.

[quoute=teddieriley]Yeah, because if you took 50 regular guys off the streets from a cross-section of ethnicities and had them follow the same training regimen for a year, they'll look roughly the same since everyone is alike and has the same genetic disposition.[/quote]

I didn't say that.

I see so much stupidity every day in my job regarding training that I just shake my head when I see dumb stuff like this on the Internet. Case in point:

Originally Posted by teddieriley

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when i used the term "training regimen," that certainly includes diet, rest, switching up training every 6-12 weeks, and cardio and whatever else. I didn't mean it to mean just lifting, because unlike what Why thinks, I know what i'm talking about.

You clearly have very little idea of what you're doing. First off, switching isn't necessary.

And this gem:

Originally Posted by teddieriley

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My muscle density and the length of my muscle fibers isn't the same. You know why? Genetics.

Muscle density? Do you even know what that means? I doubt it, since you still clearly don't know what anthropometry (which I already mentioned) means. Attachment points are anthropometry...and are partly postural and partly genetic.

Well then what on earth IS your point?