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post #16 of 53
I must applaud the dsquared, d&g, fellow. Adherence to the rules of good taste is utterly bourgeois, and therefore base. To eat with your hands and be "fuckin' freezing" may be the more noble road... You do see a lot more of these more visually stimulating types in Europe, whether they are wearing the big labels all over or clothes designed by their neighbor. In this land of individualism, there seems to be much more pressure to blend in.
post #17 of 53
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(Alexander Kabbaz @ Feb. 27 2005,21:58) But you left out the most important thing: Did you get to meet Ernest, or was the whole trip for nothing?
Next time when i'm in Paris there are four things om my agenda: FINALLY see a Moulin Rouge show (4 times in Paris and never went there before). A visit to Berluti. A visit to Club Pink (I was told this is an excellent night club). Meet Ernest.
I went the first time a few years ago, when I took my mother to paris for her birthday. niether I nor my wife, who had each been to Paris many times, had ever been, nor had we really anted to. it was the one thing my mother wanted to do, and so we went. I tipped somebody and we ended up right next to the stage. I have to say, much better than I expected. I would recomend this to anybody going by.
post #18 of 53
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Had two longish layovers at Charles DeGaulle Airport outside Paris, both spent in the Air France First Class Lounge at the International Terminal. Observations: 1. The North American perception of Europeans as inherently well dressed is unwarranted. Even in a First Class area, even while traveling, even on a weekday, the average European traveler was about as poorly dressed as the average American traveler. 2. True bespoke suiting was very rare-- I saw two unmistakably handmade suits in eight hours. In a meeting during the week in Stuttgart, I had seen what appeared to be a made-to-measure suit that avoided all other custom indices such as pick stitching or working buttonholes. Is this a trend? "Quietly semi custom?" 3. Off-the-peg suits with "bespoke influences", by contrast, were ubiquitous: dozens of fused suits with pick stitched lapels and fake sleeve buttonholes, most being worn oversized and overlong at sleeves and trouser cuffs. The side vent is the normative standard. 4. I saw one very nice pair of antiqued black oxfords-- an interesting effect wherein the primary black color was interrupted by medium brown wear areas. 5. One traveler presumably en route to a warm clime had a beige linen suit with the final 2 inches of the pants cuff split at the outer seam. 6. The double-breasted suit is an endangered species even in Paris, alas. 7. France still makeas the world's best croissants, oversized, gloriously messy, and in this case served hot off a delivery truck's rear deck.
I do not know how Americans wear but I can say that most of French are very poor dressed. I don't even talk about details like fused/not fused, single needle or double. I talk about basic things like light socks with dark shoes, rubber soles, too long sleeves for suits, too short for shirts, double breasted worn open, people wearing Weston laofer with a suit and thinking they are very smart and well dressed, sport watches with a suit, jewelry...
post #19 of 53
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(Alexander Kabbaz @ Feb. 27 2005,15:58) But you left out the most important thing: Did you get to meet Ernest, or was the whole trip for nothing?
I did in my recent foray to Paris.  A smart, charming, and very well-dressed young man.  His spoken English is really quite good.  I regret that due to communications problems, mostly on my end, we only met the one-time.  I suspect he could have been quite the companion and guide to great shopping.
Thanks Marc. I guess you exagerate a lot... I even was not shaved and 30 min before coming I was wearing a 501, pumas and a motorcycle style jacket and my sport Seiko. My English is rather poor, I wish it was good. I found you and your wife very friendly (even if you wear in brown.) and that your English was good.. Did you manage to take the last subway and go back to your hotel? I didn't catch the last one and should walk in the street to find a night bus which was going to the center of the town and after to take another bus to go to my home (45 min for the whole trip). I was the best dress guy in the bus (in this type of bus you find almost only agressive blacks&Arabs from suburb, a teenager started to smoke some drugs and stopped because his firends told him to stop). The fist evenbing I let you a message of one of the phone number you gave me but I am not sure it was your number as they asked me to dial the international code (I added the one which was in the second number). I called you hotel Sunday in the morning and told them to tell you to call me after 7PM. As you didn't call, I thought you didn't want to see me anymore... I found your 2 messages of Monday in the evening (as spent my night on internet I waked up at 5PM.). You didn't tell anything but I supposed it was you because of the accent when you said "hallo". Was it you? I hope we could meet next time you come.
post #20 of 53
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He was. Marc237 and I were not the only forum members to meet Ernest; Bengal Stripe did too. I may have been the only one to meet the lovely K., though. Ernest is as irrepressible and as enthusiastic (my wife adds "adorable") in person as he is on the forum. His love of fine clothing and footwear exceeds his gastronomic leanings right now, but I plan on working on that on future trips. KenCPollock a/k/a Jerrysfriend
You were the first. Yes, you are the only one to have meet Katia (and not the first time we met.). She had an puffy eyelid and as she has a phobia with eyes problems and it was very cold this evening, she prefered to stay at home and put medecine on her eye. With you I have a good teacher for sure but I hope you will not manage to make me like good restaurants as much as I like Clothes because I would need to find to 1 but 2 jobs or a big loan form the bank....
post #21 of 53
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I must applaud the dsquared, d&g, fellow. Adherence to the rules of good taste is utterly bourgeois, and therefore base. To eat with your hands and be "fuckin' freezing" may be the more noble road... You do see a lot more of these more visually stimulating types in Europe, whether they are wearing the big labels all over or clothes designed by their neighbor. In this land of individualism, there seems to be much more pressure to blend in.
I am a big fan of DIY and self customization, and do it all the time. I also like to see the crazy mustard colored seven button suits, though I could never pull it off. I agree with you that they add color to our Pleasantville world. There are many times, either walking down Wall St., or in Airport lounges (as a guest of members - I am a commoner - ) when I've wanted to walk up to every prim and "properly dressed" gentleman in the room and ask them whether they needed to use the extra-strength laxatives. To have wanted to ask their female counterparts would have seemed rude. *And* I've had numerous arguments with other gentlemen on the board about "the Rules." On the other hand, tere is a definite difference between being an individual and being a fashion victim, which is just another type of clone.
post #22 of 53
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I am afraid I disappointed him in that I met him wearing brown in the evening.  I was quite the farmer. I do not know about the educating the palate part, but I observe that he is quite better at maintaining his health than I - no smoking, no alchohol, etc.
I have been surprised not because you where in brown (as I know that many people like brown) but rather because you wear not wearing neither a suit nor a tie. I thought, as you are interested in good tailored clothes, taht you would have put on one of your best suit and tie as I did... Did you go to the shop for chocolat? What did you do during Sunday and Monday? My girlfriend always says me that I have a plastic palate, it gives you an idea of my palate education.
post #23 of 53
LA Guy, as a canadian, i did have a good laugh the 'hockey night in canada' dsquared2 sweat shirt was actually kinda nice, but not for the price that it was likely purchased for despite any perceived originality, the guy looked ridiculous - the actual visual of seeing him parade around for over two hours was a bit much
post #24 of 53
hermes, I'm a Canadian too (though now displaced) and my Leafs jersey only comes out for Leafs games (and not this year. Bastards.)  My Molson Canadian and "Canadian Chicks Rock" tees have been long retired.  The Dsquared stuff these days is just hilarious.
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embroidered down one leg dolce jeans with the big 'dolce' patch on the back; a big belt buckle that said 'big cock'; the yellow "hockey night in canada' dsquared2 sweat shirt; the "24/7" black dsquared2 baseball cap; and, the green "fuckin' freezing logo" dsquared2 coat ............ the shoes were black leather and pointy but i have no idea who made them but my guess was dolce
Real, hockey-watching Canadians would have laughed their asses off.  Lumberjacket jackets are bought at Mark's Work Wearhouse, for working on outdoor projects in the winter, tramping around in *really* cold weather.  And hockey jerseys are to wear to the game, or even to wear while at home watching the game.  And official NHL gear retails at about $80-$120 CDN, btw. Wearing the Dsquared "Fuckin' Freezing" coat in Winnipeg in February would have aptly described the condition of his "Big Cock".   I like a few of the Dsquared pieces from earlier seasons.  They had some pretty cool military-inspired shirts, for example (I have two examples, personally), and the cuts are nice for slim guys, but at retail, a complete ripoff.  I've really lost a lot of respect for that brand in the past few seasons.  The the logos are out of control these days, not to mention pretty stupid.
Good hockey jerseys retail for much more than that...
post #26 of 53
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Good hockey jerseys retail for much more than that...
You mean real game jerseys, right? Sure. But to wear in the stands? Of course, my jerseys are so old as to be vintage, so what do I know...
post #27 of 53
Heh, Canadians. I spent all of my teenage years in Canada and even went to Queen's (school between Montreal and Toronto). The engineers there had these specialized leather jackets (called GPAs), emblazed with a huge Queen's logo and their year on the back that they dyed purple. The dye would never stick for too long, and it'd be this kind of purple melange on cream leather. And, they wore it with pride, *everywhere*. It's always amusing to see one somewhere (like an upscale martini bar), completely inappropriately dressed, and say hello to a fellow alum.
post #28 of 53
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FINALLY see a Moulin Rouge show (4 times in Paris and never went there before). A visit to Club Pink
30 years in Paris and never been to Moulin Rouge or got wind of club Pink (is it a new gay club?)
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(Roy @ Feb. 27 2005,23:36) FINALLY see a Moulin Rouge show (4 times in Paris and never went there before). A visit to Club Pink
30 years in Paris and never been to Moulin Rouge or got wind of club Pink (is it a new gay club?)
Have you sampled much of the Parisian female population, which I hear is so divine?
post #30 of 53
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(ernest @ Feb. 28 2005,13:10)
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Originally Posted by Roy,Feb. 27 2005,23:36
FINALLY see a Moulin Rouge show (4 times in Paris and never went there before). A visit to Club Pink
30 years in Paris and never been to Moulin Rouge or got wind of club Pink (is it a new gay club?)
Have you sampled much of the Parisian female population, which I hear is so divine?
No I only sample US female...
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